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oddball
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Ok as I have been talking about on the WW2 vehicles thread
viewtopic.php?f=16&t=228&start=405

I am still looking into what I think is the best way to make one of these on the cheap that will look reasonable.

As I have said the Dingo fits in well for WW2 airsoft beacuse it was used by Britain, Canada, Italy and Germany maybe even Russia may have been sent a few :) .

Well while I wanted a break from work I measured up a Transit and they are just over 1.8M wide.

I am looking for close to 1.7M for a Dingo so the transit is now out the mix.
A old VW Beetle is only 1.54M wide so not good.
However a Ford Mondeo is 1.72M wide so quite good.

The idea I am now working on is to use a front wheel drive engine trans and drive shafts but place them in a rear chassis, then extend the gear selector to the front.
I have seen this used on small ATV buggies and it works quite well once the hubs are locked up straight.
A similar setup of hubs then needs to be setup for the front wheel steering without and drive, so the Dingo will just be RWD and light with any luck.
I think it is good to stick with a ford wheel PCD as the also make 16" rims which should look ok with a WW2 bar grip tyre on them.
The Mondeo is also quite a heavy car so hopefully the hubs will take a large wheel and tyre fitted to what I hope will be a light weight body.
Making it rear engine and RWD should put most weight in the rear so the vehicle with be front light to use with a tow dolly and a decent size car to pull it.
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Topic starter Posted : 15/08/2011 2:34 pm




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What about using a Lohr Fadier FL500 ? One for sale on milweb for £3500 ono. Obviously not 1:1 scale but right setup, wheel on each corner, rear engine AND 4x4.

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Posted : 15/08/2011 3:55 pm




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It is nice but this time I want full scale I think.
It may take a while to find the parts and build but that is the fun :D

It's ages since I had a good climb about a car scrap yard, there used to be 2 next to each other on my way home from work and I frequently dropped in for 20min on my way home.
It was a great place old jags and rovers piled up.
All in the days before H&S put many of them out of business.

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Topic starter Posted : 15/08/2011 5:06 pm




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I thought about one of these a while back. Although mine would`ve probably ended up as 3/4 size as I was going to use an automatic mini as a base along with a kit car chassis.
The transverse engine would fit reasonably well under that front section, which if removable would make engine access quite easy. The rear section I would`ve used as a boot for tent, kit etc.
I did ponder on the wheel size but as long as I got the pcd right, there would be no reason why I couldn`t use larger wheels given the space between tyre and wheel arch.
The main advantage being, if I got a mini based kit car already registered but changed the bodywork I would`ve been able to drive it to events. :D

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Posted : 22/08/2011 10:10 am




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Thanks good idea on th kit car mod.
I still like the rear engine idea maybe there is a ATV kit like that.

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Topic starter Posted : 22/08/2011 12:32 pm




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tell you what,looking at those pictures an old style mini dumpa truck ,the type with the bucket on the front
http://www.machsources.com/suppliers/vvxiami/products/18215.html&docid=LPKbDtotLERAlM&w=510&h=383&ei=TFhSTuveD8m78gPK1Ym-Bw&zoom= 1"> http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=mini+t ... -Bw&zoom=1
might be able to get one of those cheep,wouldent be able to drive to an event unless you were patient.

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Posted : 22/08/2011 1:25 pm




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Thanks good idea on th kit car mod.
I still like the rear engine idea maybe there is a ATV kit like that.

There are a few around :good:
http://www.muddybuggies.com/down-and-dirty-freestyle.htm
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Posted : 22/08/2011 3:32 pm




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Yes that second one looks better but I think I want a version on steroids with 16" Landrover wheels or 5 stud 16" Ford Mondeo and twice as high. More vertical seating to bring you close to the front so you can use a machine gun.

There is a Mondeo just in at a local scrap dealer by me with an 1800cc engine and 16" steel wheels so I may look it over on Friday :wink:

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Topic starter Posted : 24/08/2011 2:57 pm




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I used to own an operators manual forthe Dingo, they were built at the end of my road during the war in a factory later owned by JCB (and now saly demolished).

Interestingly the drivers seat is offset 45 degrees to facilitate driving backwards fast....

Canada made their own variant (as did the Italians with their copy), one of the chaps in PBI has a canadian one.




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Posted : 26/08/2011 11:24 pm




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Canada made their own variant (as did the Italians with their copy), one of the chaps in PBI has a canadian one.

Yep that would be the Lynx shown above.

I am going to look at buying an old Mondeo 1800 petrol or Diesel 1900, but I need to have a crawl under one first to see if it looks easy to make a chassis for a rear engine version.

The great thing about the Mondeo is it will be made quite well and there are so many about for under £600.

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Topic starter Posted : 26/08/2011 11:41 pm




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I`m not sure if they`ve changed them in the last 10 years but the old Mondeo used to have the whole power unit mounted on a subframe held to the front of the car by four large bolts.
I`m surmising that it would be possible to make up a chassis to mount the subframe on, you`d have to fabricate some top mounts on the chassis for the mac struts though.

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Posted : 27/08/2011 6:21 pm




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I`m not sure if they`ve changed them in the last 10 years but the old Mondeo used to have the whole power unit mounted on a subframe held to the front of the car by four large bolts.
I`m surmising that it would be possible to make up a chassis to mount the subframe on, you`d have to fabricate some top mounts on the chassis for the mac struts though.

Much my thought as well . All the bits will hang off subframes or the moncoque, working out how to bolt it all onto a 4*2 box section ladder frame could be a real drag .

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Posted : 27/08/2011 7:39 pm




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I`m not sure if they`ve changed them in the last 10 years but the old Mondeo used to have the whole power unit mounted on a subframe held to the front of the car by four large bolts.
I`m surmising that it would be possible to make up a chassis to mount the subframe on, you`d have to fabricate some top mounts on the chassis for the mac struts though.

Much my thought as well . All the bits will hang off subframes or the moncoque, working out how to bolt it all onto a 4*2 box section ladder frame could be a real drag .

I went to look at one today and yes it is all on a sub-frame so to me it looks easier than I thought it would be.
I would need both chassis ends to look similar to bolt a sub-frame at each end, but at the drive end/rear lock the hubs no steering rack.
The gearbox looks like it is cable operated so easy to extend.

One here on eBay £125
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2003-FORD-MON ... 0706910897

Or
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MONDEO-MK3-FR ... 4cf9863ca1

I presume a power steering rack can be used without power steering all be it heavier to turn but will not have an engine on top of it at the front.

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Topic starter Posted : 28/08/2011 12:08 am




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I presume a power steering rack can be used without power steering all be it heavier to turn but will not have an engine on top of it at the front.

Yep, just make sure there is fluid in it, and connect the two pipes on the rack to each other so it doesn`t escape :good:

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Posted : 28/08/2011 10:18 pm




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Thanks Slick :good:

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Topic starter Posted : 28/08/2011 11:50 pm




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I just had a word with ATS and they say a landrover tyre will not fit on a Mondeo rim :cry:
So if I used Ford the wheels would have to be custom made or maybe a 5 stud Transit wheel will still fit on a Mondeo 5 stud hub and then have a full profile ATV tyre.
PCD info here http://www.mwsint.com/TechCalcStuds.asp

A transit PCD is 5x160mm I think

and a Modeo 5 stud is 5x108 PCD
http://www.mankymonkeymotors.co.uk/Tech/pcd/pcd.htm

So that is a problem :?
So custom wheels or hubs are the only answer I see to still use a Mondeo.
A custom hub for a landrover wheel may be the answer.

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Topic starter Posted : 31/08/2011 9:19 am




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May be a mad idea, but could you take something like a Suzuki sj413 and swap the axles around so you would have a rear engine vehicle. To get around the gear problem you may be able to take out the diff assemblies and rotate the bevel gear 180 degrees so the forward gears are reversed. You may have to cut, rotate and re weld the diff housing cover as sometimes they are shaped for the bevel to sit on a specific side.
That way you`ve got a chassis with four wheel drive on which to build the body. It could even be made road legal ? 8)

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Posted : 31/08/2011 12:57 pm




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May be a mad idea, but could you take something like a Suzuki sj413 and swap the axles around so you would have a rear engine vehicle. To get around the gear problem you may be able to take out the diff assemblies and rotate the bevel gear 180 degrees so the forward gears are reversed. You may have to cut, rotate and re weld the diff housing cover as sometimes they are shaped for the bevel to sit on a specific side.
That way you`ve got a chassis with four wheel drive on which to build the body. It could even be made road legal ? 8)

Sounds like a lot of work mate and the width would be way off again.
The things I like about the Mondeo idea are possible low weight and just rear wheel drive also the right track width.
Custom hubs or adaptors sound a more simple option.
It is a shame the big tyres can not work on the standard 16" Mondeo rims.

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Topic starter Posted : 31/08/2011 1:33 pm




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Does it have to use LR tyres - you must be able to get some M&S tyres that will fit a Mondeo rim? Try asking the question of some of the specialist tyre people on the net - you're likely to get much better info over your average high street tyre fitter!

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Posted : 31/08/2011 2:29 pm




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Mondeo = low rims for tubeless tyres, big off road or even bar grips are likely just to peel off them .

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