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(@wladek)
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The Polish forces for this battle will be the 3rd Carpathian Rifle Division

Kit

The kit for the 3rd Carpathian Rifles is as follows

Unbadged Battle Dress Jacket and Trousers
Ammo Boots
Unblancoed webbing, musketry order + Anklets
MKii Helmet
GS/FS cap

Kit to Avoid

Denison Smocks - non of those please.
Berets - though officers may be found with khaki berets that were private purchased others are not seen with them at this pont, obviously no green/red ones.
BD badges - if you wish to badge up all snazzy as 3rd Carpathian, then I have seen pics of some that did - though not many - and you may however please remove or suitably hide any other unit insignia.

Acceptable kit

Any pattern of battle dress or Denims is fine, as is fighting in shirt sleaves.
cap comforters and FS caps are fine - both were worn
blancoed webbing
Elements of KD gear

That's about all I can think of for British variations of the top of my head, any questions and please ask. :)

 
Posted : 29/10/2009 12:00 am
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Nice one craig,

Will we be requiring anklets?

I think in which case all I will need is the mkii helmet, and quite probably a set of un-blanco'd webbing!

Also, regarding headwear, would a helmet net be appropriate?

 
Posted : 30/10/2009 11:27 am
 Yith
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I don't think a helmet net is wanted for this one.

As Craig said, blancoed webbing is fine, but not perfect. Whatever the case don't mix the blancoed and unblancoed webbing up! (Well except for stuff like sten bandoliers, which shouldn't be blancoed anyway.)

 
Posted : 30/10/2009 11:36 am
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Cool, we'll I'll be getting an unblanco'd set anyway for the furture.

 
Posted : 30/10/2009 11:40 am
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yup anklets, I have amended the list.

 
Posted : 30/10/2009 12:25 pm
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Hi all,

A friend of mine gsve me her great uncles uniform (he was at Monte Cassino), i did a bit of digging and its Polish 2nd corps - 5th Kresowa Infantry Division (5. Kresowa Dywizja Piechoty). Does anyone want me to take any pictures for reference? I think i might donate it to the Sikorski museum as its in such good condition.

Cheers

Simon

I'm a hero with coward's legs.

 
Posted : 11/11/2009 10:04 pm
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I certainly do :D . Posty posty. :good:

 
Posted : 11/11/2009 10:31 pm
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Re: Helmet nets

The book 'what I just got' that is full of lovely pictures shows helmet nets on pretty much everybody.

 
Posted : 08/01/2010 2:56 pm
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Sorry for the delayy and apologies for the poor quality photographs - i have a cack phone.

Polish 2nd corps - 5th Kresowa Infantry Division (5. Kresowa Dywizja Piechoty).

I'm assuming this is his parade BD given all the ribbons etc. Starangely, there are no 'POLAND' flashes on the arms-- attachment is not available ---- attachment is not available ---- attachment is not available --

I'm a hero with coward's legs.

 
Posted : 08/01/2010 5:28 pm
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Nice. :good:

I shall post up other stuff, on the assumption you would want to know, when I get my book of Polish badges and jazz out - I have to research other less interesting things at the moment and it would distract me too much.

However From what I have he was a Sgt, 5th Kresowa Infantry Division, the big cross. The Sword with three bolts coming from it is a Signals Corps badge, and the Mermaid with a shield is 2nd Corps badge.

I am not sure whose the collar flashes are, but I will look into it (unless you already know all this, in which case please do tell (both me, what I dont know, and me, to shut up :wink: ).

Yes, it is interesting there are not shoulder patches, as there are normally loads of the things on Polish uniforms.

 
Posted : 10/01/2010 12:46 am
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A note on Polish soft cap badges

All Polish forces had a variation of the national eagle on their soft hats, either 'embroidered' or metal (or plastic). I have tried to find someone who makes the cloth ones, but cannot find any.

This leaves the metal badge, which is available from Soldier of Fortune.

The problem for people lies in the placing of the badge. Traditionally this was placed dead centre on the hat, and caps such as GS/Berets were pulled straight back, rather than to the side.

Likewise the eagle on an FS cap should be right at the front of it, rather than on the side.

Of course if you were doing this with a metal badge then it would require you to put more holes in your expensive period headwear that I can understand you would not want to do.

So I am listing the options for people.

1 - Don't have a soft hat, just wear the 'battle bowler'. simples.

2 - Secondly, wear your soft hat unbadged.

3 - Place a Polish badge where the British badge would have been. This was done and caps were worn this way was well as in the traditional way, even within the same unit. It looks less 'Polish' but is fine.

4 - go the whole hog and put it front and centre.

Any one of these will be fine. GS caps are daft and do require a bit of shaping to look slightly less daft. having to try and shape them again can be beyond a ball ache so I will leave this choice in each of your capable and trustworthy hands.

 
Posted : 12/02/2010 4:11 pm
 Yith
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Also it's worth noting that the SoF badge has a totally different fitting from any british badge I know. It's a single screw in the centre (like a russian guard's badge)

This will probably not match up with any hole you may have already on your headgear.

My suggestion would be to cut this off and either solder a more standard brit style slider on the back or just stitch the badge in place.

 
Posted : 12/02/2010 4:27 pm
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what colour helmets? north africa tan or nwe green?

 
Posted : 12/02/2010 10:33 pm
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Sorry Nige, I answered your question in my head, and assumed I had therefore typed it.

Helmets were NWE green.

 
Posted : 15/02/2010 2:01 pm
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sorry i should have put this on with my earlier post. nets or not?
i seem to remember plenty of cassino pics with helmet nets.

 
Posted : 15/02/2010 6:08 pm
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yup, pleanty of nets.

 
Posted : 15/02/2010 6:23 pm
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For your information -

Ebay has a couple of original Polish Khaki backed eagles on it at the moment for 15-20 quid.

[link]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/POLISH-POLAND-BULLION-BERET-BADGE_W0QQitemZ200435816864QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Collectables_Militaria_LE?hash=item2eaae7d9a0[/link]
[link]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/POLISH-POLAND-BERET-BADGE_W0QQitemZ200435817152QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Collectables_Militaria_LE?hash=item2eaae7dac0[/link]
[link]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2ww-polish-khaki-woven-cloth-cap-beret-eagle_W0QQitemZ200425627235QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Collectables_Militaria_LE?hash=item2eaa4c5e63[/link]

They are rather expensive I know, but they would require no new 'massive holes' in a GS cap so I thought I would point them out for chaps.

 
Posted : 18/02/2010 2:58 pm
 Yith
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They're all different! Is there a preferred type?

 
Posted : 18/02/2010 3:02 pm
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I have been having this - and similar discussions - with learned Polish history type people.

The long and short answer, historically, is - Gawd only knows :slap: (and I am not just saying that to get you back for not telling me the proper Tommy colour helmet :wink: ).

Looking through everything the metal badge looks to be the one that was 'issued', the cloth ones gradually coming in, through private purchase, company 'hat badge makers', or whatever.

If we were re-enacting them, then the metal badge would be 'the mandatory one', as we are not then there is no preference from me. If you wish to have an eagle without cutting into your £50 hat, then any will be fine.

The third out of the three (in order of links) is the same as the one I have on my Beret, and I think the second one would sit better alongside it as a 'rougher' version then the first. However if the first one is wanted then fine, and if some mad bugger wants to make one themselves then go for it (some were made by individuals).

Given their scarcity I want to avoid 'eagle over-legislation'. :D

 
Posted : 18/02/2010 3:22 pm
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Bit of a hijack but if anyone wants a metal SOF Polish eagle I have one going spare. £5, as new; worn for about an hour at TEHL.

 
Posted : 18/02/2010 5:20 pm
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