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Polish Rifles and Drill

 
(@wladek)
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Good o! :D

Note that your loadout (with SMLE rather than sten) will be ideal for Wladek's Cassino game!

Out of interest, what rifle is this? (I am not terribly good at telling the difference between guns :oops: )

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Topic starter Posted : 14/09/2009 4:43 pm




 Yith
(@yith)
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Going from the rear sight position and the choice of bayonet I'd say that was a No4.
However the mag looks a bit short to me.

Of more interest to me is the way it's being held. It's obviously a drill position, but it's not the normal slope arms, it's actually closer to the yank shoulder arms.

If this a Pole, then it may be polish drill?

Also note the position of his helmet, cocked to one side.

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Posted : 14/09/2009 4:50 pm




Gadge
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I'd say its a no4, just looks like the mag is sunk slightly into the BD and obscured a bit by the sling.




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Posted : 14/09/2009 4:56 pm




(@wladek)
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It is a Pole, 2nd Corps in Italy. I was trawling through tiring to find a clear picture of the rifles they had and that was a clearest I found - though there are hundreds of images.

polish drill, could be. I haven't found any reference to them having a different drill, but nor have I found any mention that they used British drill.

Does look like somewhat of a 'ceremonial' guard duty so...?

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Topic starter Posted : 14/09/2009 5:09 pm




Gadge
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Its not that unlikely that it may also be that there's a war on and hes simply holding it poorly as there were more important things to 'crash train' him on then rifle drill.

But to be fair, i can see no reason why Poland would have started WWII using British Drill and for the above reason I can think the war office had more important things to equip and retrain the polish army on than ceremonial duties.




"I think we are in rats' alley - Where the dead men lost their bones."

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Posted : 14/09/2009 5:18 pm




(@wladek)
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yup, I did find this, from the stated re-enactors. they do mention that there were apparently differences between how the 2nd corps and the 1st Armoured conducted drill (these are 1st Armoured by the way).

http://www.10dragoons.wwiipolishlhg.org/Download.html

(plus I moved this bit to the Monte Cassino thread, which I am rather proud of figuring out how to do :D )-- attachment is not available --

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Topic starter Posted : 14/09/2009 5:31 pm




Ramsay00105
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Rifle certainly a No.4. No rear sight mount forward of the reciever. He also wears a bayonet frog for the No.4 spike bayonet on his rather natty whitened webbing. His bayonet may be on the rifle as it is not in the frog.
As to drill the Polish troops had their own officers and NCO's, many would have had military experience in Poland. Britain provides them new equipment but basic training would I am sure followed Polish practice. If some one produces a Polish translation of the 1935 drill handbook I am happy to be shown to be wrong.

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Posted : 15/09/2009 4:27 pm




 Yith
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Just looked at the vid Wladek posted. That position is indeed the polish shoulder arms.

Craig, expect you to have mastered all those by the time I see you next. ;)

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Posted : 15/09/2009 4:40 pm







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