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[Sticky] Kit guide: The French

 
(@wladek)
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Currently the only place to get a French uniform is Schipperfabrik in the US. They are 'un-cheap' and I am not convinced on their reliability. There are origionals around, but you would have to be teeny-tiny to fit into them - and even still, they are pretty rare.
The webbing and accoutrements, however, are relatively common - once you sit down on French ebay with a list of words - and they used leather 'webbing' postwar that is very close to wartime.

But fret not! For in the cunningness of our plans we have developed the ultimate switcheroo and will soon demonstrate how to change the bog standard American Uniform, into a very simple French one. How will this be done? What attrocious and alchemical devilry have we used?

So, below is a picture of myslef as a 'bare Bones' Chasseur in Shirt sleeve order (ordanarily it would be with a Bergan, but I do not have one yet).

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The Shirt is a Britsih Officers Shirt and the trousers are Polish Khaki ones. You could use Battledress Trousers, US Wool Trousers and a US wool shirt if you wish. (the trousers can also be bloused better but I was in a rush between many type DIY stuff.)
The look of 'Golf' Trousers is accomplished by using knee length puttees over the trousers (I used British WWI ones). In the picture above Khaki Hose and rolled 'White navy socks' give what my mind sees as a more '1930s mountain troops' look.

The Beret is a "Beret Tarte" of the Chasseurs Alpins, that same now as it was in the war.

The Webbing is a Brown Leather Belt and a set of postwar ammo pouches with Y strap. There is also a standard Khaki Breadbag slung over the shoulders (mainly due to my lack of Bergan).

To make the above picture into a standard Infantry impression (which would also have been pictured but for the aforementioned lack of time) Then having the puttees ove the boots, and without the socks and hose, and replacing the beret with an adrien helmet.

Another simpler option open is to got the 'Motorised troops' route, as can be seen by some French Airsofters in the picture below.

The Capote for said troops are still quite common ([link]http://www.ebay.fr/itm/Capote-Troupes-Motorisees-Mod-36-/130366083263?pt=FR_JG_Collections_Militaria_Uniformes&hash=item1e5a6c90bf[/link]) as are the trousers ([link]http://www.ebay.fr/itm/Pantalon-Motard-Troupes-Motorisees-Mod-36-/150678393489?pt=FR_JG_Collections_Militaria_Uniformes&hash=item231521d291[/link]). Post war, but certainly similar enough.

So, what do we require of the French at Copenhagen?
Firstly any pukker French Kit from 1940 is absolutely fine, either origional or re-production. As there is not such thinkg as a 'late war' French impression which you can subtract from, There is only counts as, so this will be a messier guide than my normal twitchy like for clarity feels comfrotable with.

So, the easy bit. On you head you chould wear either An Adrien Helmet, or a Chasseurs Beret.
The above picture shows how to achieve a "Pantalons" look with Wool Trousers and Knee Leangth Puttees.
A shirt can be either gotten from Schipperfabrik as CHThree mentions later down the page, or else use either a British Officers Shirt, or a US Army Shirt.
Webbing should be Leather, and post war French webbing (1950s) is perfectly acceptable.
The best low boots are US roughouts, but other brown leather boots are fine.

If you wish you can wear the post war "Motorisees" Trousers and Capote as mentioned above. (although you would have been wearing something like the above underneath these you can forgo these as onlg as you keep 'buttoned up'.
If you wish to try and build on this, like with a suitable Khaki high collared tunic, a died WWI Tunic or something else then please feel free. But if you have the basics as mentioned above then you will be able field yourself as a Frenchman regardless of how the dylon turn out.

(note: if there are people in shirt sleeves and the day itself turns out to be inclement of weather we will be able to put somethign together with 'French style' greatcoats)

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Topic starter Posted : 17/02/2014 10:48 am
(@kroot)
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We await with garlic baited breath

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Posted : 24/02/2014 6:49 pm
Hurrah
(@hurrah)
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I Also await with interest, and have been scanning around for photos with suitable stuff. I apologise if I am treading on toes with this, but I thought it as worth sharing!

I have seen these in Camden in a Vintage shop (Stairs leading down to toilets)

http://vintagehaberdashers.com/tag/duster/

which is a pre -war pattern issued to horse cavalry and motorized troopers. Yes, a photo of re-enactors, chap far right is wearing one:

http://www.maginot68.com/pages/images/p ... x1//16.jpg

Many troops had to make do with the Adrian Helmet rather than the motorized troopers helmet shown there.

With a pair of US M43 canvas trousers, Adrian helmet and leather webbing would certainly pass my "mid ground extra" test

I finding many references to something called "the Canadian" which was an imported and copied jacket intended to be issued to garrison troops (specific mention of observers on the Maginot line). It is in effect the a US Mackinaw/jeep jacket, one without the pile/fleece collar being worn here:

http://www.world-war-helmets.com/fiches ... M35_15.jpg

So seems as if it got to other troopers.

Not found photos of Chassure Aplins with them, yet ;)

I hope that helps

To the tune of "Mademoiselle from Armentières"

Napoleons army ran away, As you do
The guard stood firm for Frances Pride, As you do
They said the guard will stand and die
But we heard what their Colonel cried
It wasn't pretty I tell you.


Resistance is fertile

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Posted : 25/02/2014 11:31 am
(@wladek)
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interesting.

Yes, I found that the Chasseurs avoided the 'long and warm' garments, I assume because they would be impractical for climbing steep things in, and the shorter cut coats/smocks/jackets were preferred.

Of course one of those sheepskin coats a'la Narvik should just be wanted by everyone for their undeniable awesomeness.

There was a chap at Flying Lead wearing a tan Windjacke, but I completely forgot to ask him about it, as that would be almost ideal.

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Topic starter Posted : 25/02/2014 12:09 pm
Allenby
(@allenby)
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interesting.

Yes, I found that the Chasseurs avoided the 'long and warm' garments, I assume because they would be impractical for climbing steep things in, and the shorter cut coats/smocks/jackets.

Of course one of those sheepskin coats a'la Narvik should just be wanted by everyone for their undeniable awesomeness.

There was a chap at Flying Lead wearing a tan Windjacke, but I completely forgot to ask him about it, as that would be almost ideal.

Anyone who doesn't want that sheepskin lacks manliness. That is a manly sheepskin.



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Posted : 26/02/2014 12:06 pm
(@wladek)
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hmm. I looks like my plan for a basic US-French swap has been defeated. Although I haven't found/unpacked all the stuff yet (we apparently live in the house of disappearing puttees now) one thing I have found is that the US trousers are just not cut baggy enough. I shall try the British BD trousers, and the Polish ones too I think, for they should hopefully give the bagginess of the 'Golf' trousers. With my hopes of using the US trousers+shirt dashed I shall probably nip the shirt in the bud too and progress straight onto the Khaki Cotton British Officer's shirt.

Once I find the Puttees that is.

But for now I will state one thing - any pukka French Kit from 1940, for any of their arms/branches of service, is perfectly fine.

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Topic starter Posted : 10/03/2014 3:19 pm
Hurrah
(@hurrah)
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Got a good picture of the shirt you are recommending?

To the tune of "Mademoiselle from Armentières"

Napoleons army ran away, As you do
The guard stood firm for Frances Pride, As you do
They said the guard will stand and die
But we heard what their Colonel cried
It wasn't pretty I tell you.


Resistance is fertile

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Posted : 20/03/2014 5:09 pm
(@wladek)
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http://onlinemilitaria.com/shopexd.asp?id=3517&bc=no

Or the US army wool shirt. Both are of the right 'cut', and they had a variety of Chemises both with and without pockets and eppulettes. the Brit officer's one has a 'righter materiel'.

Pics this weekedn. deffinately ;)

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Topic starter Posted : 20/03/2014 9:34 pm
CHThree
(@chthree)
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Word of warning: I ordered a WPG US army wool shirt in Large last year and it was cut so generously it was ridiculous. It would have fitted a 60 inch chest. Their British Army Officer's shirt is fine though or at least it was when I bought mine a few years ago.

I have had some issues with schipperfabrik on the customer service front, but the products I have had from them have been good and they do a repro of the correct shirts for less than the WPG biritish officer shirt:

http://schipperfabrik.com/store/index.p ... cts_id=621

I would contact them first to check stock / delivery time.



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Posted : 21/03/2014 10:47 pm
(@wladek)
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First Post Updated with a basic French impression.

The basic Shirt Sleeves look creates the feel of a Frenchman, whilst being able to side step the Tunic problem.

For the Chasseurs there is also the option of a Windjacke - if you can find a nice tan one.

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Topic starter Posted : 23/03/2014 8:38 pm
(@kroot)
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Excellent update on the French kit.

If I make it to this one I do have 2-3 Adrian helmets to lend out. Small heads only. Some real and a few fiberglass film prop ones. I'll have a root through the French post war webbing pile as well.

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Posted : 23/03/2014 10:23 pm
CHThree
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Repro Adrian liners in modern sizes are available here:
http://www.normandy-accessories.com/ind ... Path=50_59



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Posted : 23/03/2014 10:31 pm
(@kroot)
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Now that's handy to know! Mind you, I'm fine as I have a pin head

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Posted : 23/03/2014 10:34 pm
(@wladek)
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I have to share them, even with the puttee incident.

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Topic starter Posted : 01/05/2014 9:09 pm
(@prideofengland)
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In spite of the ill fitting putees looking at these pictiures I have to say fashion has not improved for the better, style seems to be a thing of the past.

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Posted : 01/05/2014 10:46 pm
Russe11
(@russe11)
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I know nothing about WW2 french uniforms but I have seen ww1 uniforms by Spearhead.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WW1-French-Co ... 27db25deae

Any use?
This is apparently foreign legion/colonial marines but they have them in Blue for other troops along with the overcoats and trousers.

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Posted : 27/05/2014 1:07 pm
(@wladek)
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They are not un-wrong. Some units were still equipped with the WWI uniforms in 1940. The Khaki ones, not the blue ones.

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Topic starter Posted : 27/05/2014 1:22 pm
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