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(@paperpirate)
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i've got my german uniform up and running, but for the operation foxley it would be fun to play as SS

what do i need to change generic heer to that, i've got the zeltbahn and SS buckle on the list to buy
possibly a peadot tunic depending on how rich i'm feeling

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Topic starter Posted : 23/03/2012 10:06 am
(@bedsnherts)
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Assuming you're all Feldgrau the main differences are the collar tabs (litzen), the shoulderboards and the eagle - SS eagles are a bit different and go on the left shoulder rather than the chest.

If you use the SS zelt as camo over your tunic, you could get away with leaving it as-is, eagles and shoulderboards will be covered up. Also, unlike the SS smocks, your collar insignia won't be visible.

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Posted : 23/03/2012 1:07 pm
MartinR
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If you have unmounted Heer insignia on your jacket I found (for The Drop) that you can just sew the SS collar tabs over the top. You still need to take off the chest eagle and put an SS sleeve eagle on.

Or you could just wear a Dot 44 jacket, but as the name suggests, they were pretty late war.

Or you could just change the jacket collar tabs and wear a camo smock?

Depends how much sewing you want to do and how much cash you want to spend.

Cheers
Martin

"Mistakes in the initial deployment cannot be rectified" Helmuth von Moltke
Toys: AGM MP40, Cyma M1A1, TM M14/G43/SVT40, TM VSR/K98, SnS No. 4, ASG Sten, Ppsh.

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Posted : 23/03/2012 2:50 pm
Jimmiiee
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Could buy a new tunic and keep the heer stuff then you've got a heer kit and a SS kit


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Posted : 23/03/2012 5:51 pm
(@paperpirate)
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yeah all fieldgrau went for the bog standard infantarie soldier look. it's m40 version so the 44 might be a bit late, this might be better with only 2 years later and matches zeltbahn
http://www.epicmilitaria.com/product.ph ... -m42-smock

that and some SS collar tabs then, should be fine for generic look. like i said i prefer to go for generic looks as can be used for a wider spectrum, no bling for me. yet...

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Topic starter Posted : 23/03/2012 7:43 pm
Zero Bravo
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Thread Necromancy I know but didn't want to start a new topic. I'm wanting to change my Gebrigsjager uniform to SS for the longest day event. I have an oakleaf smock and helmet cover that I intend using, didn't really want to go and buy a peas dot jacket just for one event so trying to use what I've got. I do have to buy collar litzen and an SS belt buckle, is there anything else I need to complete the look for the event?




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Posted : 03/09/2014 7:59 pm
Steiner
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I think you've covered all the bases, Jimbo.


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Posted : 03/09/2014 9:24 pm
Zero Bravo
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Thanks for that, WRT rank I was just going to go for Rottenfuhrer, as squad leader I can still be in enlisted man area of uniform.




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Posted : 04/09/2014 6:09 am
MartinR
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Like Steiner said, if you've got a smock and helmet cover that is all you need really, plus collar tabs for your jacket if you are going to wear one under your smock. As I said much earlier the thread, you might be able to get away with just sewing the SS collar tabs over the top of unmounted Heer Litzen.

Not sure I'd bother with an SS belt buckle for a single event unless you've got one already. Who can tell from six feet away?

Cheers
Martin

"Mistakes in the initial deployment cannot be rectified" Helmuth von Moltke
Toys: AGM MP40, Cyma M1A1, TM M14/G43/SVT40, TM VSR/K98, SnS No. 4, ASG Sten, Ppsh.

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Posted : 04/09/2014 7:54 am
Seanebabes
(@seanebabes)
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You don't have to cover up the collar tabs/litzen. Later in the war SS were supplied from the same stocks as Heer and often can be seen with Heer litzen.




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Posted : 04/09/2014 8:29 am
Steiner
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You don't have to cover up the collar tabs/litzen. Later in the war SS were supplied from the same stocks as Heer and often can be seen with Heer litzen.

Pics... or it didn't happen. :P


You've got nothing to ein, zwei, drei, vier

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Posted : 04/09/2014 11:40 am
Zero Bravo
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Thanks for the advice chaps, I think I'll go with new listen, got to have some new bling :) also think you're fight about the buckle though and save a tenner.




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Posted : 04/09/2014 12:14 pm
Seanebabes
(@seanebabes)
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You don't have to cover up the collar tabs/litzen. Later in the war SS were supplied from the same stocks as Heer and often can be seen with Heer litzen.

Pics... or it didn't happen. :P

OK, but if you make me go through all the bl##dy books then I'm going to shoot you in the back at Op Copenhagen.




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Posted : 04/09/2014 12:46 pm
(@wladek)
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You don't have to cover up the collar tabs/litzen. Later in the war SS were supplied from the same stocks as Heer and often can be seen with Heer litzen.

Pics... or it didn't happen. :P

OK, but if you make me go through all the bl##dy books then I'm going to shoot you in the back at Op Copenhagen.

That sounds like a challenge. You have no option but to go to Copenhagen now Andy.

(and, yeah, sorry Sean. When I read your post my first thought was what Andy posted... Exraordinary claims require evidence and all that )

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Posted : 04/09/2014 1:00 pm
MartinR
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So, if they had Heer litzen, did they also use Heer chest eagles or SS sleeve eagles? Are you sure about this? It isn't something I've come across before, and I've spent 40+ years looking at photographs of soldiers in WW2. If they are SS dressed as Heer it would be hard to tell I suppose.

Cheers
Martin

"Mistakes in the initial deployment cannot be rectified" Helmuth von Moltke
Toys: AGM MP40, Cyma M1A1, TM M14/G43/SVT40, TM VSR/K98, SnS No. 4, ASG Sten, Ppsh.

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Posted : 04/09/2014 1:00 pm
Seanebabes
(@seanebabes)
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Yep, pretty sure. The pictures tend to get dismissed as HEER troops wearing SS camo smocks. Can't bl##dy find them on the web. Will try the books. Might take a few days as I have moved house.
Let's be clear thoguh, a picture proves it happened at the moment that picture was taken and not much more... if we are going to get picky about the research that is.
I'll be back!




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Posted : 04/09/2014 1:27 pm
MartinR
(@martinr)
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Well, I found this interesting thread about SS/Heer camo crossover combinations:

http://onesixthnet.yuku.com/reply/13015 ... AiFXvldV8E

some of the those nasty Dirlewanger chappies seem to be wearing Heer caps with SS gear, but I'm not sure they are a unit I'd particularly want to portray!

Cheers
Martin

"Mistakes in the initial deployment cannot be rectified" Helmuth von Moltke
Toys: AGM MP40, Cyma M1A1, TM M14/G43/SVT40, TM VSR/K98, SnS No. 4, ASG Sten, Ppsh.

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Posted : 04/09/2014 3:34 pm
Seanebabes
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I've found several pictures so far, but officers don't count as they wore all sorts of funny stuff. Dirlewanger took on a lot of HEER troops to make up numbers, so they don't count either.
4th SS Poleizi wore similar litzen to HEER early war, so early war pictures are not reliable (they change about 1941 I think, lost the reference again).
Going to have to dig through the books and find the reference. I'm hoping it's not a cock up and confusion over 4th SS and late war absorption of HEER units... or I'll look a twot and worse than that Steiner will lord it over me!




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Posted : 04/09/2014 4:44 pm
(@prideofengland)
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Interesting too see the crossover of camo types though. Must admit its one of my pet hates on airsofters, but just goes to show how wrong you can be when it did actually occur

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Posted : 04/09/2014 5:05 pm
Steiner
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Steiner will lord it over me!

MMWAHAHAHAHA!!! I am your lord and master!


You've got nothing to ein, zwei, drei, vier

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Posted : 04/09/2014 6:32 pm
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