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Allied kit

Postby Yith » Thu Feb 12, 2009 1:13 pm

The basic tommy impression for this is as the Hallamshire's guide: http://www.ww2airsoft.org.uk/zoom/hallamshires.html

However there are few differences, first the easily done ones, things that were not used early war at all.

1) no helmet net
2) no light-weight gas mask
3) no insignia
4) no entrenching tool cover (of that type)

Those things are easily done and everyone can manage to remove those!

Right... on to the more pernickity differences...
1) no 40 pattern BD, para/commando trousers, etc... It should be 37 pattern (or even serge Service Dress ala WWI); early (brown) denims are a good cheap option; as is a greatcoat, but I wouldn't fancy that in July.
2) MkI bren pouches rather than MkII or MkIII
3) webbing blancoed in pea green

And the other "optional" extras that would really make the look, but could take quite a bit of work in some cases.
1) hessian helmet cover
2) box respirator bag
3) gas cape
4) side poppered skeleton water bottle cover
5) early war style entrenching tool and cover
6) brown groundsheet/raincape (I will be very impressed if anyone manages to get one of these)

Now that lot is by no means the "be all and end all" and the kit worn did vary from regiment to regiment, but its a basic guide.

Weapons would be the SMLE, Bren, pistols/revolvers and 1928 Tommy gun. The latter would be quite rare.

Oh course though all the above is the "ideal". The normal CiA rules regarding kit requirements stand, but with one extra note. "No Camoflage". That means denison smocks and windproof smocks are right out! You'll need BD; the denims (brown preferred); greatcoat or brown boiler suit.
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Re: Allied kit

Postby scaleyback » Thu Feb 12, 2009 1:22 pm

as we are on the beach at bray dunes, can we look like scarecrows? after all by that time the BEF had had a bit of a hammering, if you have seen atonement, you will know what i mean.
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Re: Allied kit

Postby Yith » Thu Feb 12, 2009 1:24 pm

Hmmm.. Yes I guess a bit of missing kit might work? say lose a BD jacket, but wear collarless shirt and braces/belt instead?

That would be up to the actual scenario I guess... are we a ragtag group who's been fighting for a while or a new group sent in later?
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Re: Allied kit

Postby Steiner » Thu Feb 12, 2009 1:26 pm

Just play in your underpants - a cheap loadout!
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Re: Allied kit

Postby Yith » Thu Feb 12, 2009 1:28 pm

Though rather revealing... the wool pants have no buttons or zipper at the front so you'll hang out...
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Re: Allied kit

Postby Chomley-Warner » Thu Feb 12, 2009 1:34 pm

A quick point to bear in mind when gathering new kit - don't over do it. You have been left behind and you are struggling to survive. Your gas mask would be been ditched long ago along with other heavy/unnecessary kit. Chaps have a tendency to carry far too much kit anyway so look on this as a liberation :lol: .

In fact BD trousers and a shirt would be fine if you trust the weather, add a knitted jumper if don't. Greatcoat is fine too.
Given the effort most people go to and the small numbers of people at this event I don't think, in this case, that a brown boilersuit will cut the mustard (or impress your fellow players) In any case, it's never happened yet. That's not to say this is a fashion parade or a display of who has the best kit.
What is really, really important is the right attitude. Role playing and 'being there' is what this event is all about, as you will see from further postings as time goes on.
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Re: Allied kit

Postby Yith » Thu Feb 12, 2009 1:38 pm

Chommers whilst its possible the gas mask would have been dropped. I'm not sure that its likely. Its so early in the war that people were still very scared of the possibility of gas attacks.

But yes... its still optional.

I would be very disappointed if someone turned up in a boiler suit as well, but thought I better mention it was an option.

Not sure about the knitted jumper though Dave... but its better than nothing, again...
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Re: Allied kit

Postby scaleyback » Thu Feb 12, 2009 1:52 pm

i was thinking, boots, gaiters, 49 patt convert trousers, shirt, captured mp 40, and maybe a glen gary or other early headdress. maybe a 37 patt belt round the trousers. kind of a pre- POW load out.
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Re: Allied kit

Postby Gadge » Thu Feb 12, 2009 1:52 pm

Its always been British army doctrine that your gas mask/respirator is never more than a metre form your side... its always the *last* thing lost to be fair.

This is pre blitz and the opening stages of the war, the fear of mustard or chlorine gas was massive.

Having said that, its a game so it doesnt really matter.

Its better to not have one than have the d-day type green small bag IMO.

(feeling smug having recently bought a 1938 dated bag and respirator...)
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Re: Allied kit

Postby Gadge » Thu Feb 12, 2009 1:53 pm

scaleyback wrote:i was thinking, boots, gaiters, 49 patt convert trousers, shirt, captured mp 40, and maybe a glen gary or other early headdress. maybe a 37 patt belt round the trousers. kind of a pre- POW load out.



I'm *seriously* considering doing this one in my kilt as its the *only* wwii game we're likely to do where its feasable!
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Re: Allied kit

Postby Yith » Thu Feb 12, 2009 1:55 pm

Scaley, okay... its an idea... things I'd change...

- You want a tommy helmet rather than any other headwear.
- Belt on the trousers would be an '03 pattern leather one. Basically a brown leather belt with brass belt buckle. But a pair of braces would look cool as well.

Would the MP40 have been about at this stage? I must accept I have no idea...
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Re: Allied kit

Postby Gadge » Thu Feb 12, 2009 1:57 pm

MP38 was about in incredibly small numbers.
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Re: Allied kit

Postby Yith » Thu Feb 12, 2009 1:57 pm

Gadge wrote:Its better to not have one than have the d-day type green small bag IMO.


It's not only better it should be a definite no-no to have the green small bag for this.
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Re: Allied kit

Postby Yith » Thu Feb 12, 2009 1:57 pm

Gadge wrote:MP38 was about in incredibly small numbers.


I thought that might be the case.
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Re: Allied kit

Postby Lardassmonkey » Thu Feb 12, 2009 1:59 pm

It would be more likely to be a MP38 but they are near enough identical anyway.
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