OPERATION ALSOS - 18th October 2009

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Re: OPERATION ALSOS - 18th October 2009

Postby BedsnHerts » Tue Jun 02, 2009 4:07 pm

Yith wrote:er... isn't that scaley method only applicable for parachute infantry?


Doesn't have to be a pocket. I'm sure that with a bit of creativity something similar could be finelgled for any US jacket with a sewn-in epaulette.
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Re: OPERATION ALSOS - 18th October 2009

Postby Wladek » Tue Jun 02, 2009 4:24 pm

OK, I did some looking (to try and be helpful) of course anyone can find a picture to show anything if they look hard enough but I have found some pics of 1st Infantry Division around that time.

http://www.history.army.mil/images/matr ... 195463.jpg
A GI machine gun crew (2d Battalion, 26th Infantry) in action against the Nazi Wehrmacht in the streets of Aachen, Germany. 10/15/44. Photographer: Ellett.

http://www.history.army.mil/images/matr ... 198297.jpg
Men of Company M, 3d Battalion 18th Infantry Regiment,1st Infantry Drivision, lay in wait for German paratroopers being driven out of the woods in Sourbrodt, Belgium, by other men of the regiment. 12/18/44.

in these the 'pre-M43s' are quite in evidence so it shouldn't be too wrong to use them, no?

That first pic looks like m43 jacket and leggings to me though... a mix of stuff...???
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Re: OPERATION ALSOS - 18th October 2009

Postby Yith » Tue Jun 02, 2009 4:31 pm

Yeah, my own investigation shows that the M43 stuff didn't hit all of the Infantry until early 1945.

Some got it, some didn't... depends... the new guys would tend to have '43s, the old soaks would have to stick with '41s.

The airborne divisions got it almost straight after Normandy though.

So M41/wool/leggings/roughouts is probably best for this event. :)
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Re: OPERATION ALSOS - 18th October 2009

Postby Lardassmonkey » Tue Jun 02, 2009 4:35 pm

From what I've read the majority of US infantry continued to use their pre M43 uniform right up until the end of the war. It was only more elite units like paras that recieved wholesale uniform replacements as they were sat out of the line doing nowt so it was easier to do. The infantry only got the new stuff when the old wore out or if they were a new replacement.

Edit; which is basically what Yith just said. :slap:
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Re: OPERATION ALSOS - 18th October 2009

Postby BedsnHerts » Tue Jun 02, 2009 4:54 pm

Nice pics Wlad.

I hope they swept up all those cartridge cases. Leaving them on the floor like that is a bit dangerous.\\A
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Re: OPERATION ALSOS - 18th October 2009

Postby Yith » Tue Jun 02, 2009 10:43 pm

That second pic is interesting. 1928 haversack worn without a belt and a very interesting pistol holster.

Anyone got any ideas?
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Re: OPERATION ALSOS - 18th October 2009

Postby Wladek » Wed Jun 03, 2009 12:28 pm

Well there is no marking on the back of the helmet - though I understand this wasn't always done - but given his possession of a pistol and position both somewhat at the back observing and near the camera I would suggest he is a officer. As such a private purchased pistol holster on his trouser belt as it was more comfortable? Interestingly the other infantrymen do not look to have packs on.
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Re: OPERATION ALSOS - 18th October 2009

Postby Peppered » Thu Jun 04, 2009 7:40 pm

My railway worker kit has arrived!

Make sure there is plenty of space in the script for general sauntering and tea drinking - I have an enamel tea can and I am not afraid to use it.

I think I have turned, how can I be so happy at getting blue overalls and a hat?
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Re: OPERATION ALSOS - 18th October 2009

Postby scaleyback » Thu Jun 04, 2009 8:08 pm

after speaking to martin, i may be up for this....... not sure if i will be yank infantry or dodgy civvy type yet though.
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Re: OPERATION ALSOS - 18th October 2009

Postby BedsnHerts » Thu Jun 04, 2009 8:10 pm

Pictures please Pepp.

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Re: OPERATION ALSOS - 18th October 2009

Postby Wladek » Thu Jun 04, 2009 8:19 pm

scaleyback wrote:after speaking to martin, i may be up for this....... not sure if I will be yank infantry or dodgy civvy type yet though.


Good excuse to get the old Infantry gear. :wink:
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Re: OPERATION ALSOS - 18th October 2009

Postby scaleyback » Thu Jun 04, 2009 8:22 pm

skint though craig, so it might be the shabby ill fitting suit and a borrow of one of liptons "soggy bottom boys" beards , and the daughters beret bought in brussels.
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Re: OPERATION ALSOS - 18th October 2009

Postby Wladek » Thu Jun 04, 2009 8:25 pm

:rofl:

he still has them... I know Nige, and the infantry gear mounts up! I would have gone as civvie type if it had been anything except a doughboy unit. Though I'm hopping us soldiers will get plenty of chance for a more 'roleplay-y' type game too.
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Re: OPERATION ALSOS - 18th October 2009

Postby BedsnHerts » Thu Jun 04, 2009 8:42 pm

Wladek wrote:I'm hopping us soldiers will get plenty of chance for a more 'roleplay-y' type game too.


:twisted:

So many civilians.....are they running over to hug the liberators or slot the invaders?
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Re: OPERATION ALSOS - 18th October 2009

Postby Zero Bravo » Sat Jun 06, 2009 10:23 pm

Can you start a thread to guage interest on who is wanting to play for which side? It may help with working out numbers nearer the time.
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