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Re: References for British Loadouts

Postby Gadge » Thu Nov 01, 2012 9:38 am

Wear basic British Airborne kit.

The sas (belgian, french, whatever) came under the auspices of the Airborne Divisions after 43 and were issued british airborne kit.

They would have had some degree of latitude towards aquired kit but if you get a basic brit airborne impression (see drop down south staffs guide on main pages) and put a belgian sas cap badge on your beret you should be fine. wearing a lot of 'captured' kit or 'borrowed' us kit just makes you look like you're doing airborne badly tbh.

Dont go down the route of thinking you need super elite special forces kit 'windproof suits' or any of that stuff you dont.

If you were a jeep based patrol you'd probably just wear a belt with a pistol holster on it rather than webbing with escape kit in a small pack on a single cross brace.

It's not a very practical airsoft impression tbh, they relied on jeeps a lot.

French SAS had a quite unique way that some wore their pistols on their belts but I think the Belgians were pretty standard. Not my forte so i could be wrong.

You'll get *lots* more milage out of a generic airborne impression with a helmet as you can play in a lot more games. Very few games have featured Belgian SAS to be knowledge to date.
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Re: References for British Loadouts

Postby Gadge » Thu Nov 01, 2012 9:39 am

Then again i've just noticed you're probably not going to be on the UK game circuit.
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Re: References for British Loadouts

Postby Nurglitch » Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:23 am

A query about the webbing if I may (I am going to get some of those books, but would love some help now, before I have the chance to read them).

I currently have the basic set. Belt, braces, two ammo pouches, bayonet frog, canteen with its strapwork. What else do I need for a (Polish) para who has already landed (not for a jump)?

  • I see the small packs and large packs in the web stores. Which one do I need? One of them? Both?
  • Do I need the entrenching tool?
  • I assume compass was an officer-only item, but since it's a requirement for Hut 9 I will need a prismatic one with the pouch, right?
  • Bag + gas mask? Which mark?
  • Lee Enfield bandolier?


And by the way - what about dog tags? SOF has these:
http://www.sofmilitary.co.uk/printed-ww ... uct,6104,1

but for some reason they want to print them with 1944 US format... Was the US format the same as British?
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Re: References for British Loadouts

Postby Yith » Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:41 am

- Small Pack... Airborne didn't have the Large one.
- Entrenching tool would have been carried yes. Up to you whether you get one as they are getting more expensive now.
- There's also the Mk1 Marching compass, like this: http://www.fieldserviceantiquearms.co.u ... -639-p.asp usually a bit cheaper and fits in the same pouch.
- This type of gas mask and bag: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WW2-ISSUE-BRI ... 1c30f212dd Worn on the belt. You can often get the bags on their own cheap, but may have to add on the belt attachments.
- Yup a lee enfield bandolier would be carried as that's what you have in your pouches. You'd need to take it out to use it..

As for dog tags, red and green, not red and black like sof's... No, not in the US style: try here: http://www.timstags.com/shop/index.php? ... ucts_id=14
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Re: References for British Loadouts

Postby Wladek » Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:42 am

Basically if you take this article by Yith: http://www.ww2airsoft.org.uk/british-2n ... staffords/ and then apply this post viewtopic.php?f=46&t=14321 to it you are there for Polish Para. :good:

Edit** OK, Rich wins the race. :P

On the items - small back, yup they are bloody useful things to have too. Large pack, nah.
Entrenching tools are fun, but not essential for what we do.
Compass - I use a modern one, that's fine for what may be required. In fact I have brought one for most events over 4 years and used it... urm... never.
Gas mask bag is the one seen on the pic of Rich's article (MkVII ? Someone who remembers such things will be along shortly). No need for the Gas Mask inside beyond it being used as a 'filler'. A lot of people use them for small bottles of pop.

I dunno about the dog tags, Nige stamped mine years ago.

Hope that helps - and you are a year too late though, last year was the 'year of the Polish Parachute Brigade' ;) .
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Re: References for British Loadouts

Postby Nurglitch » Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:58 am

Thanks a lot :) A bit more about this:

Yith wrote:- Yup a lee enfield bandolier would be carried as that's what you have in your pouches. You'd need to take it out to use it..


I meant this bandolier:
http://www.sofmilitary.co.uk/enfield-30 ... uct,1261,1
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Re: References for British Loadouts

Postby Poacher » Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:00 am

Yes, thats the type you want.
2 of those and a mills bomb fit in one pouch.
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Re: References for British Loadouts

Postby Yith » Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:10 am

If you can get the ones with poppers (actually wrong for wwii) then they're more practical for airsoft. By removing some of the stitching you can get a couple of springer rifle mags in and the poppers won't break after a few uses like the little bendy bits of metal that the proper ones have.

Of course what you really want is one with the bendy metal and 50 rounds of .303 in chargers. :)
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Re: References for British Loadouts

Postby Nurglitch » Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:14 am

Could you paste some links or pics? Not sure if I know what you mean just be descriptions.
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Re: References for British Loadouts

Postby Lardassmonkey » Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:16 am

I don't think a compass is a requirement for the Brits at Hut 9. Its much more useful if you're playing German.
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Re: References for British Loadouts

Postby Nurglitch » Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:27 am

It is.

"All players should bring a watch, compass and period-style torch."
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Re: References for British Loadouts

Postby Gadge » Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:35 am

Nurglitch wrote:

And by the way - what about dog tags? SOF has these:
http://www.sofmilitary.co.uk/printed-ww ... uct,6104,1

but for some reason they want to print them with 1944 US format... Was the US format the same as British?


Mine dont look like theirs and mine were done by Simon Tierney (who really knows his onions)

British ones have:

Surname
Initials
army number
religion type

Mine go like this
Harvey
GN
91*** (i've censored the last three digits as thats reasonably personal info)
B

Your army number was in a block depending on the arm of service or regiment you were in. Often it was just the last five printed as with mine.

I used the last five digits of my real army number which co incidentally if you take the '2' of the start of my eight digit number would give me a 'north staffs' block allocation which is pretty cool...

Most army numbers for ORs were 7 digits, some had 8

Officers had 6 digit numbers i think (they do now)

Can't recall where i bought mine from but they were stamped by Simon, i think 'tims tags' do good repros but i may be wrong.


army number blocks here:

http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/research-m ... tions.html

Of course Polish allocations might be totally different!
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Re: References for British Loadouts

Postby Wladek » Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:47 am

Gadge wrote:
Most army numbers for ORs were 7 digits, some had 8

Officers had 6 digit numbers i think (they do now)

Can't recall where i bought mine from but they were stamped by Simon, i think 'tims tags' do good repros but i may be wrong.


army number blocks here:

http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/research-m ... tions.html

Of course Polish allocations might be totally different!


Polish Dog tags had different info on them. It has been a while, and my books are at home.

Here's a pic, I can look up later if you are interested.

A.P. is "Armia Polska", and the numbers are to do with the battalion I think.
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Re: British kit questions

Postby Yith » Wed Mar 20, 2013 12:34 pm

Last photo on here: http://iaaforum.org/forum3/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=12891
You can see the wire bendy bits used to close each compartment.

You can get bandoliers that look the same but have little brass poppers instead. They may be SLR bandoliers, I'm not sure and can't find a pic.
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Re: British kit questions

Postby Gadge » Wed Mar 20, 2013 12:48 pm

SLR bandoliers had either closure.

I've got some 70s issued ones with hooks and some with poppers. I think it just came down to using up exisiting stocks, unlike with the lee enfield where you'd actually be filling from the bandolier with the SLR it was a bit more relaxed as you were carrying up to 100 rounds bombed up to start with
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