A Guide To What SMLEs Are What (A General Interest Topic)

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A Guide To What SMLEs Are What (A General Interest Topic)

Postby McVickers » Mon Feb 22, 2010 7:33 pm

We all know "SMLE" as a catch-all name for the Lee Enfield No1, and quite a few people give you funny looks when referring to a No4 as an SMLE. SMLE is an acronym of "Short Magazine Lee Enfield" and so should be used to refer to any of the Lee Enfields listed below:

SMLE No1: (.303 [Note, the c.1900 MkI version doesn't look the same as the c.1916 MkIII pictured below] )
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SMLE No2: (A .22 rim-fire training version of the No1)

SMLE No3: (.303 - "Pattern 14"/"P14" or "Home Guard Rifle", also produced as a (T) [scoped] variant used for sniping by the British Army)
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SMLE No4 (.303, also produced as a (T) [scoped] variant used for sniping by the British Army)
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SMLE No5: (A carbine version of the No4)
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SMLE No6: (Prototyped, but never produced)

SMLE No7: (Originally called the No5 when prototyping, it's a .22 rim-fire training version/conversion of the No4)

SMLE No9: (A .22 rim-fire single-shot conversion of the No4, converted for the Navy)

SMLE L39A1: (A .22 rim-fire training/target rifle)
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SMLE L42A1: (British Army .308 [7.62 Nato] replacement for the No4(T), and is version on the earlier L39A1)

SMLE L59A1: (British Army Drill Purpose Rifle - a converted No4 made incapable of being fired, for practice and demonstration use)

SMLE M10: (Australian .308 [7.62 Nato] version of the No4)
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Quite a few of us already know all this, but I though I'd list them all for everyone's' reference.
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Postby McVickers » Mon Feb 22, 2010 9:50 pm



Yes, because those aren't 'Short Magazine Lee Enfield's.
The No8 was a hand-loading single shot rifle, and the No9 is an automatic rifle/"machine gun". You can't really call either of them "SMLE"s.
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Postby No1_sonuk » Mon Feb 22, 2010 9:58 pm

McVickers wrote:and the No9 is an automatic rifle/"machine gun". You can't really call either of them "SMLE"s.

Did you look at the link? Looks like a No. 4 to me.
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Postby McVickers » Mon Feb 22, 2010 10:47 pm

No1_sonuk wrote:
McVickers wrote:and the No9 is an automatic rifle/"machine gun". You can't really call either of them "SMLE"s.

Did you look at the link? Looks like a No. 4 to me.


Indeed! That'll teach me to skim-read the page :slap:
No9 added! I've never head of it before. It's odd really as the No9 seems to be a similar convertion/spec' as the No7, but single-shot.
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Postby Yith » Wed Mar 24, 2010 2:45 pm

How about the semi-auto SMLEs? Like this one...

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Postby McVickers » Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:07 pm

john birchett wrote:Image

A tad picish :? I know, but that is a P-14(T) with a Warner and Swasey primatic scope. Making it more than likely, that this chap is a Canadian.


Indeed he is Canadian :)
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Postby Sgt.Heide » Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:10 pm

And a s**t sniper as well. Weapon muzzle so close to a window? :slap: Basic stuff but, so often missed.
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Postby Wladek » Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:24 pm

It will be a staged photo remember, likely needing to get the window 'in frame', as I imagine carrying a photographer around with you is an even worse sniper mistake.
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Postby Sgt.Heide » Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:28 pm

Wladek wrote:It will be a staged photo remember, likely needing to get the window 'in frame', as I imagine carrying a photographer around with you is an even worse sniper mistake.


True. It still winds me up a bit though! :giggle: I once slapped a guy for "posing" with a GPMG for a newspaper photo, with the barrel hanging out of a window and I flatly refused to be photographed as a sniper.
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Postby No1_sonuk » Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:31 pm

Sgt.Heide wrote:True. It still winds me up a bit though! :giggle: I once slapped a guy for "posing" with a GPMG for a newspaper photo, with the barrel hanging out of a window.

Isn't that giving misinformation to the enemy, though? Giving the impression it's normal. ;)
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Postby Sgt.Heide » Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:32 pm

No, it's giving your position away to the enemy without even firing a round.
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Postby No1_sonuk » Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:05 pm

I meant posing for the photo like that, not actually doing it.
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Postby Sgt.Heide » Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:07 pm

No1_sonuk wrote:I meant posing for the photo like that, not actually doing it.


I shouldn't imagine so. I doubt any enemy would be dense enough to think our soldiers were that thick and lacking in a sense of self preservation, or bereft of any training.
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Re: A Guide To What SMLEs Are What (A General Interest Topic)

Postby Gadge » Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:02 pm

I think it artistic compromise thats required in PR shots.

A proper picture of British Infantry in a defensive position would look like a snapshot of the countryside, you just wouldnt see anything.

Similarly in film and photogrpahy soliders are often shown skylining and silouhetted against backgorunds that make for a better photo.

The vast majority of 1940s 'combat photogrpahy' is evidently staged as as mentioned the photographer and his kit would usually have to be ina ridiculously exposed position. Also men are always too clean and well shaven, well known kit mods are rarely seen,captured kit is nearly never seen while we know it did happen.

I think its more a case of sending pics back home for public consumption that show the lads in fearless, heroic and 'cinematic' poses/light.

Public battles suffer from the same thing in the blank fire re-en community, you have guys ridicuously exposed or kneeling behind haybales blatting off rounds at each other from 50 foot away. Simply because a realisitic skirmish would just be muzzle flashs from gug in postions and decent concealment.

Its shit i agree but its unfortunately the way it is :)
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