Bruneval Raid / Operation Biting - Sten?

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Bruneval Raid / Operation Biting - Sten?

Postby Glenlivet45 » Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:44 pm

Hello,

Does anybody know if Stens where used during the bruneval raid? I guess MKIIs where used but could not find any info on it.
The (very) few pictures i have seen of the raid only show Enfields.

Here is a picture of Paras in Fallschirmjäger style step in smocks and stens. Since they are not wearing the "fishtail" helmets
i think it must be a picture from some time after the raid.
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Re: Bruneval Raid / Operation Biting - Sten?

Postby No1_sonuk » Sun Jan 31, 2010 2:14 pm

Looks like they were:
From page 6/7 of: http://www.centralscotlandpra.co.uk/sli ... /slip1.PDF
We were dropped at 275ft, a little inland from our objective, and were met by enemy fire on landing. I went straight to the containers that held our weapons and armed myself with a Sten gun. At the radar installation, I helped to attack a nearby house occupied by Germans whilst the radar was captured for long enough to enable vital parts to be removed.
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Postby Glenlivet45 » Sun Jan 31, 2010 3:33 pm

Great info, tank you!
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Re: Bruneval Raid / Operation Biting - Sten?

Postby Poacher » Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:01 pm

chief chinthe wrote:The No. 4 was in full use by 1942.

Not true.
Very few in Asia, never seen one in North Africa and rather few and far between in Italy.
I'm sure you mean 'in full use in NW Europe by 1942' but thats not what you said nor what could be implied by your post.
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Postby Yith » Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:40 am

yes agreed, SMLE and 1907 bayonet.

What are the helmets though? The back looks to be be curved out, not what I was expecting. Almost a cross between a para helmet and a mkiii turtle.
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Postby Yith » Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:56 am

I thought the first version was the fibre rim? I don't remember those having the flare. My repro doesn't.

Oh, I'm all confused! lol
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Re: Bruneval Raid / Operation Biting - Sten?

Postby Gadge » Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:01 am

its a *proper* first version with the lip at the back.

Used in such limited quantities that they dont really get refereed to as Mki etc.
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Postby scaleyback » Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:03 am

they were only used for brunneval i believe yith,,, and only a couple of hundred existed( i dont think they were used for colosuss but i could be wrong) i have only ever seen one duck billed helmet outside a museum, that was a guy at crich last year. there is the famous pic of john frost on the boat after brunneval wearing one.
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Re: Bruneval Raid / Operation Biting - Sten?

Postby Yith » Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:16 am

Aha, thanks chaps. So the fibre rim repro I have is of the 2nd version?
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Postby Yith » Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:50 am

lol, I have harlan glenn and don't remember the flared back! lol
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Re: Bruneval Raid / Operation Biting - Sten?

Postby Gadge » Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:08 am

Really early airborne kit is largley direct copies of german kit and often pieces have a shelf life of a month.

Examples being step in one colour smocks like FJ ones
High leg jump boots
High leg jump boots with a buckle etc.

Usually the WD found out that something they already had did the job better (or usually cheaper) or developed their own idea with time (and rapidly at that), for example it was found that ankle boots and anklets were not that much worse than jump boots and jump boots were discontinued as an idea.
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Re: Bruneval Raid / Operation Biting - Sten?

Postby Gadge » Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:18 pm

Ah that would be the theory that the rim on said helmets could potentially sheer rigging and also break necks on a bad landing.

Note again that the UK para helmet wasnt a million miles away from the german model :)

At least we designed a parachute that didnt drop you face down...
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Re: Bruneval Raid / Operation Biting - Sten?

Postby Glenlivet45 » Wed Feb 03, 2010 11:35 pm

Repros of the Bruneval helmet and the early jump smock are available at Pegasus Militaria. I have been thinking about buying
those for a looong time... :whistle:

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