S&S no.4 Lee Enfield rebuild

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S&S no.4 Lee Enfield rebuild

Postby Lord Elpus » Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:51 pm

Amongst other things to do, I’ve just started, at last, a re-do of one of Warrens old Enfields, I have had this for some time and have very slowly collecting parts for it. Based on the old type aps 2 which is much the same as the Well mb01 (L/96) in part.
I’ve opted for a complete donor gun, quite cheap from Taiwan gun, Poland. It’s made by JG, and is their jg376 model, a cross or “hybrid” between vsr and maybe mb01. Now I’d like to think it will go swimmingly easy, as it’s started off looking as if it will go that way, the only big hurdle I can think of at the moment is making the cylinder extension for the charge handle, but things never are that easy, are they?
First off I will get cylinder, hop and barrel fitted, and get it firing right, before pratting around with cosmetic ponsy bits.
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Re: S&S no.4 Lee Enfield rebuild

Postby Lord Elpus » Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:53 pm

As usual, pics arse about face, the last pic shows the donor gun.
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Re: S&S no.4 Lee Enfield rebuild

Postby Lord Elpus » Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:21 am

A vsr type trigger box fitted, and below a vsr type hop unit to fit, that will probably need slimming down a bit.....got a few of these so if it doesn’t go right first time.........
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Re: S&S no.4 Lee Enfield rebuild

Postby Lord Elpus » Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:19 pm

Slimmed and fitted hop unit, aligned barrel. Just waiting for a bit of jbweld to set, used it as a levelling bed. Think of some way to secure the hop, so it can be removed and then, hopefully we will test firing.
Will probably make some sort of top centre hop adjustment.
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Re: S&S no.4 Lee Enfield rebuild

Postby Lord Elpus » Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:59 pm

Ok, mag fitted, does hang a tad low, I can remove a bit more from mag casing, but this is the lowest mag, in height I could find, even lower than a vsr mag. Fires Ok, tdc hop adjustment works too! Have fitted rear screw to the hop unit but needs another in front by the mag well to be secure. I’ll have to make a piece from aluminium, needs to be 4mm thick, ordered some about 10 days ago for another job.....still not here......good old eBay.
So when it gets here I’ll start on it again.
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Re: S&S no.4 Lee Enfield rebuild

Postby dadio » Mon Jun 17, 2019 6:17 pm

Is there no support at all between the receiver block and the hop unit on the S+S ? On all the custom bolties I've done I always left a bit of the outer barrel to mount the hop onto , it just made alignment easier .
The build is looking good :good:
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Re: S&S no.4 Lee Enfield rebuild

Postby Lord Elpus » Mon Jun 17, 2019 7:32 pm

No support at all, old hop unit was pinned straight to the lower stock, so old, no hop adjustment. Can’t say on anything else, as that’s all there was. I was toying with the Idea to put a vsr receiver and barrel section in, but I don’t think there’s enough wood to cover it, plus the mag well was way out. So kept looking until something close turned up.
This is one of the reasons I like to make my own stocks, so if they have to be slightly larger to accommodate airsoft guts then so be it.
I think now, Warren uses receiver and barrel section in his builds ......like you say makes everything easier.
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Re: S&S no.4 Lee Enfield rebuild

Postby dadio » Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:32 pm

Its annoying that genuine woodwork on either the NO4 or K98 both just don't quite have enough meet underneath where a vsr mag has to sit , strangely the Dboys crappy shell ejector is just a tad thicker underneath .... Pity about the wood quality though .
I've often toyed with the idea of making a stock duplicator and making slightly modified stocks but I don't think there's enough of a market to make it worth while .
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m1a1 Thompson,sten mk2,mp40,stg44,sterling,mk2 bren gun,lee Enfield no4 mk1,Mauser Kar98, Walther ppk,smith and Weston m10 and Mauser m712
Give me a big enough hammer and a place to stand and I could fix the world.
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if a job's not worth doing then its certainly not worth doing well

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Re: S&S no.4 Lee Enfield rebuild

Postby Lord Elpus » Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:16 am

I’ve seen stock duplicators up for sale, £1000-1200 or there abouts, but I agree with you, to either buy or make one, is a lot of effort/money probably for very little return.
Got the mag as low as I can, in the stock. I will order a few more so if I destroy one it won’t matter. Still waiting for my bit of aluminium to appear, might have to think of something else to make a mount to fit just in front of the mag
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Re: S&S no.4 Lee Enfield rebuild

Postby dadio » Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:04 am

What you can do with the mags is profile the edges , the BB channel is in the middle so the two long bottom edges fan be rounded off , I user some walnut laminate on the bottom of the mags on one as well and that helped ease their appearance as well . If you want to get extreme you can lower the top of the square feed lip about 1mm and then use a 1mm piece of plasticard to adjust the mag catch slot but its a lot of work for 1mm
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m1a1 Thompson,sten mk2,mp40,stg44,sterling,mk2 bren gun,lee Enfield no4 mk1,Mauser Kar98, Walther ppk,smith and Weston m10 and Mauser m712
Give me a big enough hammer and a place to stand and I could fix the world.
i'll kill a man in a fair fight or if i think he's going to start a fair fight or over a woman or.......
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Re: S&S no.4 Lee Enfield rebuild

Postby Lord Elpus » Wed Jun 19, 2019 6:03 pm

I will shape the edges more, although I think I’m near the limit, but first must make the hop totally secure and sure that it can’t move. The mags do come apart so I might delve in to see what’s left in material to shape. If I go through and it’s just a void, I’ll use filler.
Have ordered a couple more mags anyway, cheap, under a fiver each.
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Re: S&S no.4 Lee Enfield rebuild

Postby dadio » Wed Jun 19, 2019 6:53 pm

Fingers crossed
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Give me a big enough hammer and a place to stand and I could fix the world.
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Re: S&S no.4 Lee Enfield rebuild

Postby Lord Elpus » Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:07 pm

Took as much off the mag as I dare, came across a little soft spot and thought”that’ll do pig” so gave it a clean up added a bit of wood “ camo” than made a catch, which it doesn’t really need as the mag sits in quite happily with a little interference fit, but that doesn’t mean it won’t loosen up with use.
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Re: S&S no.4 Lee Enfield rebuild

Postby dadio » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:23 pm

My own No 4 has an interference fit mag , been using it for some years now and its still just right , I might not do it for a customer build but it works for me ! I had to put a canvas loop on each mag to pull them out though .
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m1a1 Thompson,sten mk2,mp40,stg44,sterling,mk2 bren gun,lee Enfield no4 mk1,Mauser Kar98, Walther ppk,smith and Weston m10 and Mauser m712
Give me a big enough hammer and a place to stand and I could fix the world.
i'll kill a man in a fair fight or if i think he's going to start a fair fight or over a woman or.......
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if a job's not worth doing then its certainly not worth doing well

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Re: S&S no.4 Lee Enfield rebuild

Postby breadfish » Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:41 pm

progress pictures look great. Ive not seen a close up of any S&S rifles so its nice to finally see one. Interesting that its so old it never had a hop unit fitted. :good:
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