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M14 to M1 Garand

Postby Lord Elpus » Mon Jul 01, 2019 1:04 pm

I sold my ICS Garand last April, why? .....I don’t know, but now I haven’t got one ....I want one. The price has gone up now on new ones, around £400, and used ones still hold their price well, so I thought I’d do a retro modification.
Taiwangun have been selling M14 wood alike model for £107, just gone up to £111 I think. These are CYMA, and are very accurate out of the box, and the mod is not too hard to get close to looking like an M1 Garand.
So to start with, so done mossberg 500 shotgun mags to fit flush in the stock, and started on top hand guard wood.
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Re: M14 to M1 Garand

Postby Lord Elpus » Mon Jul 01, 2019 1:11 pm

The pic with the three mags, shows a new one, one has been “adjusted “ to fit, the last one nearly finished, fits in fires, gives around 11 shots, this I think is good for this mod.
I will make up a little front piece but there will still have to be a gap, as the mag has to tip forward, to remove.
A few more pics showing mag modification
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Re: M14 to M1 Garand

Postby kingmaker » Mon Jul 01, 2019 7:55 pm

how did you add the step for the mag catch paddle, is that glued on?
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Re: M14 to M1 Garand

Postby Lord Elpus » Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:49 pm

That’s where I went a bit too low with the dremel bit, trying to find a comfortable catch line. So built it back up with epoxy.
Used the dremel to put in slant in the back of the mag, you can see on the other one, that went OK when I found the right height. I wrapped plasticard round the mag to take up side gap, superglued on. Then cut out a piece on the front too, to catch spring clip in the mag well.
They actually have less movement than than original mags!
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Re: M14 to M1 Garand

Postby Lord Elpus » Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:03 am

Done a bit more to top wood, all fits nice, but will have to be shortened, when I get to do the barrel end as the Garand top wood from receiver to sling band is where it ends, ( marked in pic) but seeing as I want to use this gun in an up coming skirmish for test purposes on the mags I’m going to leave it for now and continue in a week or so.
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Re: M14 to M1 Garand

Postby Lord Elpus » Wed Jul 03, 2019 5:34 pm

Stage one, done! Might get another mag mod done before the game,
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Re: M14 to M1 Garand

Postby Hänschen klein » Thu Jul 04, 2019 8:27 am

Good work :good: What stain did you use to get what looks like a good match to the stock. I have tried loads but to no avail on my G43
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Re: M14 to M1 Garand

Postby MCLMM » Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:50 am

Hi Lord Elpus,

You may already be aware of thsese (and I'm not sure what route you're taking with the front end) but this chap has created some 3D print files for an M14 to M1 conversion:

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2224973/comments

I think the gas tube/muzzle work out at about $70 dollars if you use Shapeways and PA12 plastic (detailed).
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Re: M14 to M1 Garand

Postby Lord Elpus » Thu Jul 04, 2019 8:43 pm

The stain used is Colton, Georgian medium oak, one coat, a couple extra “end” coats as it draws in quick, left to dry then a coat of beeswax, not forgetting I used softwood to make the hand grip, different types of wood different colours produced. It’s not an exact match but near enough, when I have the time I will make a stock, as the shape is not quite right for the M1 around the mag well.
As for the 3D printer parts, yes I was aware of them being made, but this is a skinflint conversion, other than the cost of the gun, and a few mossberg mags everything else will come from what’s kicking around( and believe me, I’ve got some old crap laying around!) plus I want to make the parts from steel/aluminium, more robust and weathering capabilities.
Cut down the spring, doing 336 fps and has not effected the range or accuracy, and I know I’ve said it before, but these are really accurate for no upgrade/ fettling at all. Seeing as these M14’s are used a lot in ww2 games, they do make sense as a cheap option to modify.
Here’s a pic of M14 to G43 I’m doing as well.
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Re: M14 to M1 Garand

Postby Lord Elpus » Thu Jul 04, 2019 8:44 pm

Try again, pic didn’t appear,
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Re: M14 to M1 Garand

Postby Lord Elpus » Thu Jul 04, 2019 8:50 pm

That’s COLRON Georgian medium oak stain, god I really f#*@£ ing hate predictive text!
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Re: M14 to M1 Garand

Postby dadio » Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:54 pm

I use the Wicks medium oak ,its a really nice colour as well , that last picture looks like a g43 or am I imagining it ?
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Re: M14 to M1 Garand

Postby Lord Elpus » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:32 am

That is one I prepared earlier......now collecting bits to make the top receiver look like a G43.
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Re: M14 to M1 Garand

Postby MCLMM » Fri Jul 05, 2019 2:37 pm

No worries!

As for fabricating the gas tube/front sight assembly, what would you suggest? I only have very basic tools that don't lend well to metal work...
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Re: M14 to M1 Garand

Postby Lord Elpus » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:51 pm

I will probably make front end from steel, possibly Aluminium, the plan is( which may change!) the main outer barrel to be replaced full length in 16mm steel tube, sleeve inside to suit inner barrel, the lower gas tube, could well be done in aluminium and its easier to work with.
I don’t have an aluminium welding set up that’s the reason for using steel, plus it’s a lot stronger, the main barrel on the G34 conversion is aluminium with fabricated steel sight and hood, made from CO2 capsules ( I use these a lot, no money involved ) and after cleaning off the thin coating weld up nice on low power, if you’ve no access to weld equipment your best bet is aluminium or even copper tubing , using a good quality epoxy glue, such as K2 metal bond found this stuff on eBay and it knocks the spots off jbweld in my opinion, sets quick, files, cuts, drills cleanly.
I shall be getting on with this after the 13th of this month, I’ll make a couple of front sight sections, you are welcome to one.
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