Hit taking?

However I would not only include bbs here I have seen blatant non-hit taking of grenade kills too - 5m is further than a lot of people seem to think.

Thats a good point, I almost dont bother with grenades now as so few people take hits from them and at £3-£5 a go I aint wasting money on them, its a shame cause things that go bang really add to the game.

I have sometimes found myself in a situation where I have taken a hit, not because I've felt it or even been 100% sure I have been hit, but because theres been that much flying plastic around that I've felt it unprobable that I've escaped being hit.

I guess it just boils down to a persons attitude to the game at the end of the day.

I first said this about 3 years ago "WW2 uniforms deaden the detectable hits" playing WW2 airsoft is not just about feeling hits it is as much about hearing them hit you.
If you are in a noisy environment like the last 2 tunnels games have been partly down to my audio systems in places then detecting you have been hit is harder.

Running away from shots makes it hard for you to here a hit on your body as you are making noise stamping feet rustling your uniform and you ears tend to here things in front of you more than to your rear as you run from the enemy.

Uniforms that deaden hits should be made of thick wool like British and German, thinner US uniforms should make detecting a felt hit easier. It may also make hearing a hit better on a cotton uniform better than wool, just as hitting a steel helmet is far more obvious than a hit on a wool cap.

For the reason above I will never knock anyone's kit level for wearing thinner trousers than the correct wool issue may have been on the day.

I went to a so called WW2 game about 2 years ago near me and the guy running it said "don't shoot people in the backside it isn't funny and it hurts" straight away I thought this guy doesn't understand anything about WW2 airsoft. Other than blasting people in the face legs and arse are a perfect place to shoot a person.

Some on here have stated they wear face masks as they can't go into work with scares on them, well I am sure not many of them work in short trousers

I have shot people in the legs a few times some times as close as 5 ft they always take their hit and everyone else knows it.

On the hearing hits, helmits dont help you hear them!

On the hearing hits, helmits dont help you hear them!

It's what I always find particularly if you are in woods away from other metal objects that could sound similar to a hit on your own helmet.
If I can shoot at a metal helmet from 40ft away and here the hit at 40 ft when I hit it I would think I would here it better if it was on my head
The same can not be said for a wool cap.

Some times I have been thrown by twigs on the helmet and have declared a hit as I could not say one way or the other. Obviously scrim and netting would reduce the audible TING.

Listen to the TING from over 30ft away on metal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl_ol9OvuII

As for shooting people in the face fine if you want more people to wear a mask.

i dont think the uniform matters its the person , i was not at the last tunnels game but i was told by some of my team (usa players) a usa player was not taking his hits etc and when he did was talking etc but i take that as a rare case , at the last game i made i saw a couple of brits not taking there hits but some one pointed it out there were hit and both took it , i have had cases where i was convinced the other side were not ie germans but i just assume that i am mistaken and trust them. Its a honor based sport and i would rather trust other players than my sight at range. To many airsoft players assume they think they are hitting at range and lot of time they are not , see it lots at open days when marshaling and people just assume as they think they are hitting folks , yet there bbs are dropping short off target etc

I personally never had any 1 not take there hits at close range in a ww2 game

However I would not only include bbs here I have seen blatant non-hit taking of grenade kills too - 5m is further than a lot of people seem to think.

Thats a good point, I almost dont bother with grenades now as so few people take hits from them and at £3-£5 a go I aint wasting money on them, its a shame cause things that go bang really add to the game.

Very good points! People not taking grenade kills, running away just out of range or hiding behind a small tree to avoid a kill really irritates me. Guys have spent a lot of their own money to buy grenades and help make the events more immersive. IMO people should respect that, do the decent thing and take the hit if there is the remotest chance the grenade could have got them. If a grenade lands near me I just sit tight till it goes off and the call the hit and if any team members are close by I will call them out too. If more people don't start doing this then as Tim says, peeps won't bother buying them and events will be poorer for the lack of them.

However I would not only include bbs here I have seen blatant non-hit taking of grenade kills too - 5m is further than a lot of people seem to think.

Thats a good point, I almost dont bother with grenades now as so few people take hits from them and at £3-£5 a go I aint wasting money on them, its a shame cause things that go bang really add to the game.

Very good points! People not taking grenade kills, running away just out of range or hiding behind a small tree to avoid a kill really irritates me. Guys have spent a lot of their own money to buy grenades and help make the events more immersive. IMO people should respect that, do the decent thing and take the hit if there is the remotest chance the grenade could have got them. If a grenade lands near me I just sit tight till it goes off and the call the hit and if any team members are close by I will call them out too. If more people don't start doing this then as Tim says, peeps won't bother buying them and events will be poorer for the lack of them.

This point I think is more important than normal hit taking. Grenades add to the whole immersion of the game. If everyone bought a couple and chucked them around you would think that you were there for real, but as someone said to me just the other week "Grenades are a waste of money as no one takes a hit from them" Come on guys in most WW2 games I have attended you are out for just a short while so All of us take the hits Grenades and others. From the comments made it is not really a problem and I think there are enough of us on the forum who attend games to sort this out with a quiet word. If you think you have been hit then most people will take the hit. I know it was raining so hard on my lid in a game I was taking rain drop hits not knowing if they were BB`s or not.

PS Helmets let you know when you have been hit I am still looking for the bugger who slotted my FJ lid a number of times at Il Grigio

I feel the continued Qs of what’s wrong with WW2 games is again just drawing on a continued negative string of posts in the general section. I’m starting to wonder whether WW2 Airsoft is in fact any better than an open day as I have run 100s of open days and had NO!!!! Issues what so ever on many of them, yet every WW2 game has had some kind of issue, posted up of just kept as idle, off media, conversation.

It’s true that AN individual can piss off a few guys, but never 'ruin' an event! That can only be done by the organiser not dealing with any issue or a very silly incident like a windmill scrap (which I’ve never seen myself).
I brief regularly now that there is a big difference between not taking a hit and not feeling one! And guys can go to anger far too quickly, not giving much benefit of the doubt or accepting that players simply don’t feel or hear the rounds pinging off them. The mechanic of Airsoft is desperately flawed yet it is the best combat simulation out there that we can use.

Hit taking is everything in Airsoft, more important than following orders or the scenario written yet we can all suffer from ‘not feeling hits’. Calling some a cheat is a big deal and you must be absolutely sure first of all you actually hit them! But if you have and they have recognised it and then ignored it, you can brand them a cheat. I get caught out every now and then myself (especially in ww2 and the heavy clothing) for rounds hitting me and I haven’t the faintest idea I’ve been hit or even shot at!

I have had the same problems with US paratrooper myself at events, but I’ve also had problems with pea dot SS. I think the key one has been mentioned which is, it’s an individual issue, not a group one.

what josh said.

to be honest i think friendly fire is a bigger problem than non hit calling 😉 especially in those pesky dark areas like the tunnels Xp

my last word on this is just to look upon the results of the poll,it clearly shows more than just a trend and even some who have chosen a neutral have added a caveat that agrees with the poll.people who cheat know who they are ,please leave our sport or amend you'r ways.

my last word on this is just to look upon the results of the poll,it clearly shows more than just a trend and even some who have chosen a neutral have added a caveat that agrees with the poll.people who cheat know who they are ,please leave our sport or amend you'r ways.

Good idea mate, yes all you new players go away, cos there are so many of us to carry on. Please, or how about this go and say it to them face to face. Educate them. Jesus. US may be the cheapest kit but from my point of view it's a stepping stone to other kit. Demanding people leave before they even get started is moronic. So some dude don't take a hit big deal. Shoot the shit out of him and move on.
This thread has run its course. Oh for those who don't know I play US. If you got a problem with me come and see me, you will find me most amenable to discussion.

I'm new and I chose brit kit, I don't think dadio is saying that all new players cheat, or that all US players cheat, but that the poll suggest that more US players cheat than any other impression and that those that do should change their ways or leave this hobby, I totally agree that having a negative attitude towards new players isn't progressive for the hobby, but I don't feel that this is what dadio was displaying in his post, I also don't agree that US is the cheapest impression, but the most popular, but that's a different debate.

Im still not convinced this poll is fair, I have played plenty of games where the Germans have been moaned about, but again it would be individual, not groups. This whole poll could also be about the same player!
I do agree with Dadio on the play better or don't come but then I would say that about any game or event I was running.

IMO new players to Airsoft are normally the best players as you can push and mould them into the players you want easier than veterans with bad habits and attitude. They also have that enthusiasm which is essential to give the field a boost. They are not jaded or have any expectations, the only downside being they may have to catch up on the rules and learn to play the game, which can frustrate an experienced player,but it's not that hard is it. and is always one or two guys, not an entire side.

I think band of brothers, for all its good that it has done for WW2 Airsoft, has a bit of a green goblin behind its success in that its inspired heroes in the field and not a more realistic 'I don't want to die' inspiration. This may, for the odd individual, be responsible in part for the hit taking issue. This is by no mean an excuse but if you can understand the reason, you have the chance to fix it

FTR I don't agree with targeting the face as a punishment for not taking hits as the job of disappointing a player should be in the hands of an organiser and the events team but can understand the frustration that's caused by this sad failing in Airsoft.

Complaints about hit taking have always been a problem in airsoft, whether WWII or otherwise... Note I'm talking here about the "complaints" not the actual not taking of hits.

Fact is that once one person starts shouting "He's not taking his hits", others follow. And not only that, but they also tend to stop taking their hits as well. "If he's not taking his hits, why should I?" More bbs get fired at each other, people get hurt and angry.

And it just snowballs from there. Before long the whole game has been ruined.

That's why cheat calling is usually banned...

If I find someone talking to other players I say to them, "stop spreading discord amongst our troops please and just go and tell a marshall, either that or just shut your trap and play the game"

I'm afraid the same thing applies to this thread, but on a bigger scale. And I don't want WWII airsoft ruined over this thankyou very much.

So, I think this thread has run it's course and I'm locking it. In fact I think it should be deleted.

Any comments... please pm me.

Yes, I endorse Yith's thread locking - this had no way to go now.

But I'll just add that in 2006 WW2 airsoft was started in earnest as an antidote to regular airsoft skirmishing. Getting away from the usual cheat calling, play to win, I'm wearing guccier kit that you are, we are an invincible group and no one can touch us. And with that out went the marshals. And all of a sudden it became clear that not only was it possible it was much more enjoyable and much less of a 'one year playing then move on to another hobby' and became an enduring hobby for those who were of a like mind.

Nothing much has changed. Sure, those new to WW2 need to get into the mindset - WW2 airsoft is very different to other genres, and it isn't just the uniforms - so a degree of tolerance and understanding and perhaps education is required.

BUT, the very fact no one before has ever though it necessary to post about hit taking speaks volumes. By and large it isn't an issue. In fact it is so unusual that when it does happen it is immediately obvious and surprising, and this is what led to the OP, I imagine. And thank you to subsequent posters for their measured and considered contributions.

So, for those wondering what the hell is going on all I would say is Keep Calm and Carry On. For those new to WW2 airsoft take a look at these two articles - once you get into the vibe and the concept 'clicks' then both you and your fellow players will have an amazing experience.
http://www.ww2airsoft.org.uk/ww2-airsof ... roduction/
http://www.ww2airsoft.org.uk/taking-the-plunge/