But still the best fit for the donor vehicle 
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why anyone botherd with atrs after the .50 cal was invented i dont know, full auto and penetration like it has, why fit boys rifles on bren carriers, they should have fitted .50s
just stick em on the 80 year mortgage the yanks so kindly gave us 
"Take that you rotton helping of strawberry flan!"
Joseph Porta to "strawberrys and cream", in the sven hassel book ,ogpu prison
But still the best fit for the donor vehicle
Yep I agree.
why anyone botherd with atrs after the .50 cal was invented i dont know, full auto and penetration like it has, why fit boys rifles on bren carriers, they should have fitted .50s
just stick em on the 80 year mortgage the yanks so kindly gave us
Im also not that sure why they didnt use the boys as a large calibre sniper rifle once it was proven inefficent against armour, the barrat of the day as it were.
i hate to say the "vietnam" word but some US snipers did sod about with the boys a bit, and allso i think in Korea ?
but ye why we never got the .50,
well we did in a way, it was a vickers 
in .50cal instead of .303
would have been nice to see a pom pom 20mm fitted as an AA tank,
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Yeah but the mid war german version proved itself as useful as a chockolate fireguard compared to the 20mm fitted to the back of an sdkfz 12, so why not just make more, it was able to fire on the move, where the flackpanzerIII &IV had to stop and lower the protective screens befour they could man the AA.
The British had a bofors fitted portee as well as the 2pdr in N Africa, not sure how it performed or if any apeard anywhere else.
ATR because:
Its easy to train someone how to use it.
Two men can crew it one at a push you need realistically three for 50 cal and ideally about five. Weight comes into this as well.
Ammo - you can carry lots and use it sparingly
you give conscripts 50cal and belt of a thousand and they will be combat effective for 1 minute
Ease of production, you can bang out a dozen ATRs for 1 HMG
If you use them en masse as with soviet doctrine they still chew up light armour, a top hit or rear from an atr will still do damage to all but medium/heavy tanks.
Lastly its the psychological factor of giving th infantrymen an AT weapon, they dont know it will bounce off as they dont have the hindsight we do. A few will elarn that by experience but its easier to go inot battl ethinkiing you have the means to destroy armour than go in wiht nothing and *know* you cant touch tanks.
For much the same reason we still issued law 94 when we knew it couldn't penetrate the side armour of soviet mbts in reality.
"I think we are in rats' alley - Where the dead men lost their bones."
Oh and the Crusader came in an AA varient with twin 20mm for the uk.
The kugelblitz flakpanzer had it with twin 30mm for the axis
"I think we are in rats' alley - Where the dead men lost their bones."
The kugelblitz flakpanzer had it with twin 30mm for the axis
And was a vast improvment on the first few 'Furniture Wagons'
Lastly its the psychological factor of giving th infantrymen an AT weapon, they dont know it will bounce off as they dont have the hindsight we do. A few will elarn that by experience but its easier to go into battl ethinkiing you have the means to destroy armour than go in wiht nothing and *know* you cant touch tanks.
Nah, cant agree there. There's nothing more demoralising than realising in the midst of a battle that the kit you've been issued with isnt worth shit.
Take the Pak 36/37 - commonly known as the "doorknocker" by its crews, due to its inability to do any more to a T34 than wake up the people sitting inside it.
When we were a Kingdom it was run by a King
When we were an Empire it was run by an Empress
Now we're a country we're run by a..........
Sorry Kermit I side with gadge, If you are in the line and you know you have bugger all against armour you will run as soon as armour arives, if you think you can nock them outl you will at least wait untill you have not untill you panic, and by then you will have to stand and fight with what you have or get mown down if you move.
It is a bit crappy by the Hirearchy though.
i hate to say the "vietnam" word but some US snipers did sod about with the boys a bit, and allso i think in Korea ?
but ye why we never got the .50,
well we did in a way, it was a vickerswould have been nice to see a pom pom 20mm fitted as an AA tank,
You sure it wasnt the frog AT Rifle? It was after all French Indo China.
i,l look it up mate
i was thinking more of the quads that the RN used, pom poms , lovely
the best use i,v herd for bofors was in late 44and 45, was in holand/germany
we used them as night time corridor markers with tracers, one gun on each flank firing away at the german lines and the infantry advancing inbetween,
must have been fun for the germans with 40mm tracers flying about
Oh and not to mention the artilery at the same time,
team shoot and scoot, TL
oh and ATR had some use agains soft skins, AT guns and crew , pillboxs etc.
but i cant say i,m in a hurry to try one out 
now PIAT i would love..
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