Well I am just putting the finishing touches together for my winter Gebirgsjager look, to be used at Rise of the Tenth but I am already looking forward to the summer and planning my tropical Italy look.
The guy in the pic below looks very snazzy and the kit looks eminently practical for skirmishing in on warm summer days.
The trouble with Italy is Gebirgsjager could be seen in a wide variety of kit, HBT, DAk tropical, Luftwaffe Tropical etc.
He appears to be wearing DAK Y straps. My first thought on the trousers was that they were Luftwaffe tropical, based on the colour but they don't have the leg pocket.
DAK colours are far more green? What do you think the tunic and trousers are, Luftwaffe or faded DAK or something else?
It's a very yellow photo, but to me it looks like a tropical uniform, which would have been worn in north Africa, Italy and the south of France.
IMO, you'd get more use out of HBTs than tropical. Or you could just get both.
You've got nothing to ein, zwei, drei, vier
That looks like a 16th SS 'Reichsfuhrer' Div uniform, dunno if that was just a standard tropical uniform with SS insignia or not, but I thought DAK tropicals were more olive than yellow/tan?
Cheers
Martin
"Mistakes in the initial deployment cannot be rectified" Helmuth von Moltke
Toys: AGM MP40, Cyma M1A1, TM M14/G43/SVT40, TM VSR/K98, SnS No. 4, ASG Sten, Ppsh.
Arnhem3,Gumrak,Campoleone
Id say by the cut it is a heer tropical uniform. The photo combined with fading just makes it look more yellow. Both LW and SS tropicals would be much more yellow to begin with and would fade paler rather than the greeny/brown tinge in that picture.
Do you think the GJ would have made much use of HBTs Andy? Most of the mountainous areas are further south where tropicals would be more prevalent and further north I'd expect them to stick to wools due to the temperature.
That looks like a 16th SS 'Reichsfuhrer' Div uniform, dunno if that was just a standard tropical uniform with SS insignia or not, but I thought DAK tropicals were more olive than yellow/tan?
Cheers
Martin
Id say by the cut it is a heer tropical uniform. The photo combined with fading just makes it look more yellow. Both LW and SS tropicals would be much more yellow to begin with and would fade paler rather than the greeny/brown tinge in that picture.
Agreed, Lardy. You can just see the curved piece of material on the chest in Martin's picture (sorry, no idea what it's called!) - a completely different tunic.
Do you think the GJ would have made much use of HBTs Andy? Most of the mountainous areas are further south where tropicals would be more prevalent and further north I'd expect them to stick to wools due to the temperature.
Ah... you may have a good point there, Kamerad. Somebody flash up the Supergebirgsjäger symbol on the clouds - we need Sean!
You've got nothing to ein, zwei, drei, vier
Ahhhhhh, I'm a costumed crime fighter!
I've never seen a picture of GJ in HBT's, but I assume they were issued as they were for regular infantry and indeed pretty much all Heer units. GJ had marching boots you know (jack boots to you and me), don't see them worn much though do you? I think you could reasonably expect your average GJ to be wearing wools for campaign/combat, along with all other troops actually, as they tended to need them to keep warm at night even at the height of summer. You tend to see HBT's worn over wool uniforms.
The picture is clearly a re-enactor as his Edelweiss is too low on the arm, 150mm from the shoulder seam please. It also looks horribly like one of those 'tropical' edelweiss. These are not correct and appear to be some sort of civilian/paramilitary sporting badge. Don't use them for your tropicals. He is also kitted out for the Italian campaing, not Africa I would submit (rifle and scope, leater belt, one water bottle only, not conclusive, but very indicative). Anyway, looks like a tropical Heer uniform, with a continental bergmutze (used in Africa by some) with a mix of tropical and continental equipment. The uniform could be faded, could be a poor picture or could be a poor repro produced in 'faded' colours rather than the proper green (and the new uniforms did look very green in the desert).
I'm a GJ bore aren't I?
Tim, I still owe you a reply to your email. Sorry, busy couple of weeks, I'll get it sorted asap.
Buy tropical kit, then Steiner will organise us an Afrika game!
Good Old Sean
There does not seem to be much info about on GJ tropical wear, the actual wartime pictures I have tend to show a mix and match (see below).
The first picture is from a uniform book and supposed to be in Italy. Thanks for the warning about the tropical Edelweiss
Hasn't baggy trouser guy also got his eidelweiss too low
He appears in a colourised version in Andrew Mollos 'WW2 Army Uniforms', Gebirgsjager 2nd Lt, Italy.
Cheers
Martin
"Mistakes in the initial deployment cannot be rectified" Helmuth von Moltke
Toys: AGM MP40, Cyma M1A1, TM M14/G43/SVT40, TM VSR/K98, SnS No. 4, ASG Sten, Ppsh.
Arnhem3,Gumrak,Campoleone
Hasn't baggy trouser guy also got his eidelweiss too low
Yes to be fair I have a few pics with it lower on the arm, I think their mum's may have sewn them on for them
Well I have just been looking through my photo's of GJ in tropicals and all the eidelweiss have dark backgrounds not a "tropical" version in site
Hasn't baggy trouser guy also got his eidelweiss too low
Yes to be fair I have a few pics with it lower on the arm, I think their mum's may have sewn them on for them
Yes, they have and I'm very angry about it!
Are they edelweiss though? I can't make it out clearly in the picture, but they look a bit like zbv 288 insignia. Probably my monitor. Anybody?
Possibly, hard to tell, the guy in the middle has an Eidelweiss on his cap but I believe there were some GJ in zbv 288 ?
Hasn't baggy trouser guy also got his eidelweiss too low He appears in a colourised version in Andrew Mollos 'WW2 Army Uniforms', Gebirgsjager 2nd Lt, Italy.
Yes, I've just looked at that. I think we must assume Mollo is correct in his thinking - or has a very high-resolution photo!
Possibly, hard to tell, the guy in the middle has an Eidelweiss on his cap but I believe there were some GJ in zbv 288 ?
There were. I have read that they wore the Edelweiß patch, rather than the svb 228 patch. IMHO, this looks more like an Edelweiß.
GJ had marching boots you know (jack boots to you and me), don't see them worn much though do you?
Mountain boots = status symbol.
Buy tropical kit, then Steiner will organise us an Afrika game!
Oh how I wish. It's difficult to put on any game at the moment.
Did you see how quickly Supergebirgsjäger responded ?? Truly a superhero!
You've got nothing to ein, zwei, drei, vier
2nd company in zbv 288 was a Gebirgsjager company. The only one I know of that was officially motorised! I'm always on the look out for information and pictures of zbv 288 so it was probably wishful thinking on my part that it might be their insignia above. Engaging my brain for a minute though, some of them appear to be wearing continental Europe wool uniforms, so rather unlikely it was a desert theatre picture and even less likely to be zbv 288. Doh!
As Steiner says though, 2nd (Gebirgsjager) company did wear the Edelweiss and not the unit badge on their right sleeves.
Don't be so negative Steiner, you can find us a Desert game!
Well the Doughboys have a Sicily game in planning for this summer... will that do?
Well the Doughboys have a Sicily game in planning for this summer... will that do?
Ooh!
You've got nothing to ein, zwei, drei, vier
Ooooh!!
Another chance to wear my shorts then
Cheers
Martin
"Mistakes in the initial deployment cannot be rectified" Helmuth von Moltke
Toys: AGM MP40, Cyma M1A1, TM M14/G43/SVT40, TM VSR/K98, SnS No. 4, ASG Sten, Ppsh.
Arnhem3,Gumrak,Campoleone
Well the Doughboys have a Sicily game in planning for this summer... will that do?
Yes.... for now!
Early date for the diary please, as I have major problems organising weekends nowadays.
Well the Doughboys have a Sicily game in planning for this summer... will that do?
A chance to buy more kit? Well count me in
Tim has very kindly put together a kit guide for the website (available from the forum top menu too):
http://www.ww2airsoft.org.uk/german-gebirgsjager/