bloody hell craig,,, you do like your obscure units..... whats wrong with the bloody brits or anzacs??? 
Obscure?!!! 
yes.... not exactley the coldstream guards are they?or the black watch, ( who fought there i believe)
Though on a 'serious' note, that is partly why I wanted to organise these games (oh by the way I have 4 in my head 
...). I do not like the idea that this is educating in some way as that is terribly patronising, but it should be interesting.
I would have loved to have set one in 1939, but it would be impossible on the uniforms front. So I wanted to look at four (maybe 5) distinct 'units' that show the varied 'contribution' of Poland to the war.
The Brits are not a unit 
and the '3rd Carpathian Rifles' are no more obscure than the '2nd South Staffordshire' to me. The idea is to look at something a little different, and have a lot of fun in the process. This is one of my main historical interests and something that I look forward to running.
In fairness the Staffords are one of (or were) Britains most distinguished Infantry regiments with a *ridiculousy* impressive list of battle honurs and a few impressive records like
Most decorated soldier of WWI - Lance Corporal Baskefield
Most VCs won in a single battle by a battalion in WWII
First allied troops into Occupied Europe - Huskey
Did the lions share of the infantry work in fulf war I and did an 180 miles combat advance in 100 hours!
As well as other, hardly obscure by any stretch of the imagination
Battle honours:
* Pre-WWI: Guadeloupe 1759, Martinique 1794, Hafir, South Africa 1878-79, Egypt 1882, Kirbekan, Nile 1884-85, South Africa 1900-02
* World War I:
o France and Flanders: Mons, Retreat from Mons, Marne 1914, Aisne 1914-18, Armentières 1914, Ypres 1914-17, Langemarck 1914-17, Gheluvelt, Nonne Bosschen, Neuve Chapelle, Aubers, Festubert 1915 Loos, Somme 1916-18, Albert 1916-18, Bazentin, Delville Wood, Pozières, Guillemont, Flers-Courcelette, Morval, Thiepval, Ancre Heights, Ancre 1916, Bapaume 1917-18, Arras 1917, Scarpe 1917, Arleux, Bullecourt, Hill 70, Messines 1917-18, Ypres1917-18, Pilckem, Langemarck 1917, Menin Road, Polygon Wood, Broodseinde, Poelcapelle, Passchendaele, Cambrai 1917-18, St. Quentin, Bapaume 1918, Rosières, Avre, Lys, Bailleul, Kemmel, Scherpenberg, Drocourt-Quéant, Hindenburg Line, Havrincourt, Canal du Nord, St. Quentin Canal, Beaurevoir, Kortrijk, Selle, Valenciennes, Sambre, France and Flanders 1914-18
o Gallipoli: Suvla, Landing at Suvla, Scimitar Hill, Sari Bair, Gallipoli 1915-16
o Mesopotamia: Egypt 1916, Tigris 1916, Kut al Amara 1917, Bagdhad, Mesopotamia 1916-18
o Italy: Piave, Vittorio Veneto 1918
o North West Frontier India: Baku, Persia 1918, North West Frontier India 1915
* Inter-War: Afghanistan 1919
* World War II:
o North West Europe: Dyle, Defence of the Scheldt, Ypres-Comines Canal, Caen, Orne, Noyers, Mont Picton, Brieux Bridgehead, Falaise, Arnhem 1944, North West Europe 1940 -1944
o North Africa: Sidi Barrani, Djebel Kesskiss, Medjez Plain, Gueriat el Atch Ridge, Gab Gab Gap, North Africa 1943
o Italy: Landing in Sicily, Sicily 1943 Anzio, Carroceto, Rome, Advance to Tiber, Gothic Line, Marradi, Italy 1943 and Italy 1944-45,
o Burma: Chindits 1944, Burma 1943-1944
* Post-WWII: Gulf 1991, Wadi al Batin
Now look at the bold battle honours pretty impressive for a regiment in WWII
So while i personally have no issue with the chosen unit (think its quite good actually) I think its very unfair to say that the Staffords are anything but a generally very well known regiment, especially among those with an interest in WWI and II.
They also make an excellent choice for a group as they fought in nearly every major campaign in one capacity or another
I am of course slightly biased with being a former Stafford...but in fairness when i joined up with them I'd heard of them since i was a boy i just never knew they fought in an airborne role until i was issued a jumper that had a gold glider badge on the arm.
"I think we are in rats' alley - Where the dead men lost their bones."
The Brits are not a unit
Surely this isn't a willy-waving thread. To a Pole I'm sure South Staffs would be more obscure than Carpathian Rifles - wasn't this what Craig meant?
No not a willy waving thread at all and i totally read and understood craigs post dave on account of not being a moron...
My point is that they are a world reknowned unit known to most with even a passing interest in military history as for example the oxf and bucks are.
"I think we are in rats' alley - Where the dead men lost their bones."
And not in the slightest bit relevant to Craig's game or this thread.
Totally relevant, we were discussing relative 'obscurity' of units.
A point was made the that unit a were obscure, a point was made that to the organisers unit b was equally obscure, i observed that globally however unit b were considerably well known and would to most be more recognised.
Tell you what Dave lets stop having any discussion at al l that you dont agree with and turn into ASCUK eh?
I'm getting thoroughly fucking sick of the attitude prevalent on this forum recently of shouting down anything that isnt hand in hand with a certain fews views...
"I think we are in rats' alley - Where the dead men lost their bones."
Hmm, your view is more relevant than mine. I get it.
Craig's game doesn't feature South Staffs and this thread is entitled '3rd Carpathian Rifle Division' and Craig was setting out information about them which would be interesting to read as I know nothing about them.
I'll leave Craig to tidy up his section of the forum as he sees fit.
OK I learn how to edit. Just shifted it is all, as I find all discussions interesting.
I quite understand Gadge's point and was in no way decrying either PBI's choice of unit, or the unit themselves. However before I joined PBI, I had never heard of them. If someone had said 'South Staffs' to me I would have assumed they were a British regiment, but they had never come up in any of my research before.
I am reminded of my Grandmother deriding a contestant on a quiz show for not knowing that a certain question was a type of flower as she considered it common knowledge. I told her I didn't know that it was a type of flower and she was similarly dismayed. What we would consider obscure or common knowledge is entirely relative to what we know, as Chomley says a Pole would probably consider the South Staffs more obscure than the Carpathian Rifle division. Perhaps.
Anyway I am happier when the units portrayed are one I do not know much about, as I get to look into them and that is always fun. I now know something about the South Staffs and the GIR of the 82nd Airborne which is great.
OK I learn how to edit. Just shifted it is all, as I find all discussions interesting.
So do I when they are allowed to continue
As my initial post clearly stated, I think its an interesting choice for a unit.
Which brigade and sub unit are you considering Craig?
"I think we are in rats' alley - Where the dead men lost their bones."
OK I learn how to edit. Just shifted it is all, as I find all discussions interesting.
So do I when they are allowed to continue
As my initial post clearly stated, I think its an interesting choice for a unit.
Which brigade and sub unit are you considering Craig?
1st Brigade, as they were formed from the nucleus of the Independent Carpathian Rifle Brigade, and as to Battalion? Not sure yet, as I have yet to find much if any of a difference.
My query was with regards to looking out for insignia, lanyard colours and all the finer details... but your earlier post makes it redundant 
"I think we are in rats' alley - Where the dead men lost their bones."
