I'm thinking of putting together an SS infantry/panzergrenadier (both used white piping i believe?) but i would rather keep it as a generic uniform, however would all ss soldiers have had a cuff title on their field greys?
Cheers Phil
Between 1942-1945 SS Panzergrenadiers had grass green Weisengrün piping on shoulderboards. Not sure about pre-'42.
Not all Waffen SS units wore cuff titles. If you want to go generic I'd leave them off altogether.
From Axis History Forum:
The honor titles used by the Waffen-SS fall into several different categories. Some unit names – for example “Theodor Eickeâ€, “Horst Wessel†and “Reinhard Heydrich†– were chosen to commemorate important figures of the SS and/or the Nazi movement; this type of honor title was by no means limited to the Waffen-SS but also very common in the Allgemeine SS and the SA. Sometimes the person whose name was chosen as an honor title was in some way directly connected to the unit chosen to bear it, for example Artur Phleps, the former commander of the division that included the regiment which bore his name.
Others – like “Florian Geyerâ€, “Götz von Berlichingen†and â€Hermann von Salza†- were in honor of important historical figures and consciously intended to create a symbolic link between the modern-day combat formations of the Waffen-SS and the heroic fighters and noble lineages of the past. When this type of honor title was used in the case of foreign formations, usually historical figures from the appropriate country were used, like “Skanderbeg†for the Albanian division or “De Ruiter†for a Dutch formation.
Then there were names with a purely geographical or ethnic/national meaning, like “Nordâ€, “Danmark†or “Nederlandâ€, while others had a more abstract and symbolic meaning, like “Handschar†or “Vendettaâ€.
Finally, a few pointed to the origins of the respective named units, like “Reichsführer SS†or “Hitlerjugendâ€.
Thanks for the reply, well at least i now dont have to sew a cuff title on, that makes life much easier, now need to decide what period i want my panzergrenadier to be.
Minimalism is the new bling when it comes to German tunics
Plus it has the added bonus of not associating you with the numerous war crimes of certain "elite" units.
Actually I don't belive the Waffen SS did use green panzergrenadier waffenfarbe. I have seen no evidence of it. I think they used white, the same as the infantry. I don't know if they followed the Heer pre 42 system of pink for mechanised infantry and white for motorised/foot.
http://maxpages.com/alvin/Waffenfarbe
linky, Oh this site might give you a warning on some of the anti virus software, but I ingored it and had no problems.
Looks like standard white is correct. Unless you want to be part of himmlers staff, yeah right.
Actually I don't belive the Waffen SS did use green panzergrenadier waffenfarbe. I have seen no evidence of it. I think they used white, the same as the infantry. I don't know if they followed the Heer pre 42 system of pink for mechanised infantry and white for motorised/foot.
The source was from a US WfSS reenactment group (plus a couple of threads on Axis History Forum about shades of green).
On closer inspection, these reenactors have also consistently misspelled Nürnberg as Nürnburg and Österreich as Öster Reich which is just plain wrong. Ostmark -yes. Alpen-Donau-Reichsgaue - yes. Öster Reich - NEIN.
http://www.militaria-exchange.com/appen ... on/colours
This also mirrors the previous link.
I've read some of those discussions about panzergrenadier waffenfarbe colour but I believe they all refer to Heer troops. All the info I've seen- including the two lists Imp has posted show no indication of green Waffen SS shoulderbords used by grenadiers.
You're probably right.
This link:
[link]http://9thssaa.tripod.com/unireq.htm[/link]
suggests that dark green was correct for SS Police Divisions (something which is way too "Allgemeine" for my tastes) some of which were upgraded to SS Panzergrenadier Divisions in '42. This may be where the confusion lies.
DW - just go Infantry and save us all a big headache
Yes you may be right about the police units causing the confusion. As the man says DW, its probably best you stick to white. That fits with the Generic look you're going for anway.
Right so i was right to think it was white, glad i'm not cracking up, as i had not been able to find any examples of green piped ss PZ shoulder boards, was always white. Thanks for the help
Many thanks OScha, that has some superb references in it
also guys do any of you have pics of SS officers without cuff titles?
Thanks for all the help, thats why i love this forum
Rather than start an entire new thread thought i would ask here instead.
How far down the sleeve does the eagle go, and is it different for officers and EM?
Also how far down would a tank destroyer badge be on the sleeve?
Cheers DW
15cm. Essentially all sleeve insigina is about 15 cm (anywhere between 14 &16 is fine) from either end. All subsequent insignia is about 1cm further down.
Cheers for the help , one final question, with regards to medal ribbons on the second button hole, is there a seniority applicable, or is it down to which ribbon was won first?
For example an ek2 ribbon and eastern front ribbon, which one would be in front?
Thanks again
I've done mine as I've seen it - EKII in front. I guess the most important should be shown off.
You've got nothing to ein, zwei, drei, vier
I believe the ribbons were ordered according to seniority.
Thanks guys, that was my thinking too, ek2 in front but just wanted confirmation.
Time to get the needle and thread out once my insignia arrives