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(@mikkel987)
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From a german Forum.

http://www.historical-airsoft.de/thread ... r=0&page=1

Finished result on page 3 :D

You can even buy the gun here.

http://www.historical-airsoft.de/thread ... readid=901

Link was original found by KEP.

 
Posted : 16/03/2008 9:10 pm
Sgt.Heide
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That's a nice conversion. I hope Warren has seen this, it might inspire him!



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Posted : 16/03/2008 9:34 pm
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funny that ;) have been giving it consideration, so that means its just a mater of time ;)

team shoot and scoot, TL

 
Posted : 16/03/2008 10:14 pm
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As a conversion kit, I think you'd sell a fair few Warren!



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Posted : 16/03/2008 10:35 pm
Steiner
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As a conversion kit, I think you'd sell a fair few Warren!

Absolutely!


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Posted : 16/03/2008 11:03 pm
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I reckon it can be done.

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Posted : 02/04/2008 10:39 pm
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I do not read German can some one tell me what that says , and how much it cst for the kit?

 
Posted : 16/04/2008 1:39 pm
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Guten Tag,
Subskribenten kânnen ihr Gebot bei mir via Privatnachricht abgeben.
Verkauf ab 18 Jahre.
OberjÀger

Good day
Write me a private message with your offer
you must be over 18 years to buy

Im am sure you can write the guy in english :wink:

 
Posted : 16/04/2008 9:16 pm
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watch this space....



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Posted : 16/10/2008 8:39 am
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watching this space neil,come on at least give us a teaser.
looking at the project above this looks like a good cheap alternative, and gives us huns a good chance to get hitler's garand into the field.

jay.




 
Posted : 18/10/2008 11:38 pm
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Have been watching this with interest .............

Have just acquired an M14 and have been looking at some sort of carbine-esq conversion.
Could use the shotty mags for a smoother profile but really wanting a short SMLE-type mag underneath.
If all this guy's done is cut and shut the standard mags and they feed ok, then with a cut down barrel, could be just the thing, and still usable by either side :good:

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Posted : 18/10/2008 11:47 pm
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not sure its as easy as cut and shut with the m14 mags, i think the m14 internals will be too long for the shorter mag length.
you could put the g&g sr25 50 rnd internals in the m14 mags providing they fit o.k.
very doable though and im thinking of having a crack at it myself.




 
Posted : 18/10/2008 11:57 pm
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Took a mag apart today ...........

There's a slot cut in that the spring slides into, with a plastic follower to hold it in.
Undo the 5+1 screws and there's a spiral track that the spring and consequently bb's flow around - all fairly standard stuff.

What I'm thinking is to cut a section across the centre of the mag long side to long side, so it becomes shorter, and glue back together, with a little extra bracing.
Cut the spring down, as the 'tunnel' is now shorter.
Cut the top of the metal mag outer down, with a couple of new slots cut to fit into the mag well, and that should work ...........

Of course, the bb 'tunnel' will need to be smooth, the mag inner body need to be firm but should be supported by the metal outer and - probably most trickly - the spring will need to be the right length to push the bb's out - probably best to cut it slightly long and have less bb's and more pressure from the spring ?

Assuming the above, it should work fine ....... ??

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Posted : 19/10/2008 12:15 am
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sounds like a plan joker, so come on fella try it out :D
and of course if it works we will need pictorial guide :good:




 
Posted : 19/10/2008 12:21 am
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Interestingly a MP40 mag is the right size and the bb feed nozzle is in the right place to fit in the M14 magwell; a magwell 'adaptor' to hold the 9mm mag in place could be the basis for a Beretta SMG conversion ??

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Posted : 19/10/2008 12:46 am
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I am doing this conversion as i have as yet been unable to source a g43 stock o i thought it would keep me busy while i cant play due to my knee being ***ed - not a conversion for the fainthearted, a ton of metal has to be ground from the m14 receiver where it joins the magwell and barrel the magwel also has to be cut horizontally along the line of the stock. rathere than screw up my VERY expensive shoei partsi've been learning to takemoulds!!! also the m14 stock while similar to the g43 is fifferent in proportionand has to have the wood cutouts filled to level it off... the g43 front band is much thinnere that the m14..... and so t goes on... anyone know anyone who can cast metal?
I am trying to make this as a kit so its repeatable. pics will follow when im more confident of a decent result. now im off to cross the channel in a RIB



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Posted : 19/10/2008 6:18 am
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As regards the G43 stock, it is not an awful lot different from a K98.


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Posted : 19/10/2008 9:02 am
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I am doing this conversion as i have as yet been unable to source a g43 stock o i thought it would keep me busy while i cant play due to my knee being ***ed - not a conversion for the fainthearted, a ton of metal has to be ground from the m14 receiver where it joins the magwell and barrel the magwel also has to be cut horizontally along the line of the stock. rathere than screw up my VERY expensive shoei partsi've been learning to takemoulds!!! also the m14 stock while similar to the g43 is fifferent in proportionand has to have the wood cutouts filled to level it off... the g43 front band is much thinnere that the m14..... and so t goes on... anyone know anyone who can cast metal?
I am trying to make this as a kit so its repeatable. pics will follow when im more confident of a decent result. now im off to cross the channel in a RIB

A lot of work but should be worth the effort :good:

Tbh, not looking to go that far myself - just trying to create an impression of something 'period', along the lines of a M1 Carbine / Mk5 'Jungle' Carbine (if I can get hold of a conical flashhider) etc but not (at the risk of being thrown into a fiery pit) a Garand as .......... I don't like them !! (nervously waits for brick through window :shock: )

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Posted : 19/10/2008 9:20 am
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Took a mag apart today ...........

There's a slot cut in that the spring slides into, with a plastic follower to hold it in.
Undo the 5+1 screws and there's a spiral track that the spring and consequently bb's flow around - all fairly standard stuff.

What I'm thinking is to cut a section across the centre of the mag long side to long side, so it becomes shorter, and glue back together, with a little extra bracing.
Cut the spring down, as the 'tunnel' is now shorter.
Cut the top of the metal mag outer down, with a couple of new slots cut to fit into the mag well, and that should work ...........

Of course, the bb 'tunnel' will need to be smooth, the mag inner body need to be firm but should be supported by the metal outer and - probably most trickly - the spring will need to be the right length to push the bb's out - probably best to cut it slightly long and have less bb's and more pressure from the spring ?

Assuming the above, it should work fine ....... ??

Joker, it sounds like the internals of an M14 mag are like an M16 in which case I have previously done something similar:

The line of BBs isn't the mags capacity but is there to illustrate the direction of the new BB tunnel.

In shortening the internals, the most important thing is to be sure you end up with a properly aligned BB tunnel. This might well require experimenting with some angles of cut so TOP TIP is to take some paper tracings of the internal raised edges and play around with these to find the best positions for the cuts. Don't forget, you'll be removing a middle section, not taking a bit off the top or the bottom. Try to keep as many of the screw fixing points as possible.

As regards the BB tunnel - the importance wasn't so much 'smoothness' but maintaining the right 'curve' so the spring wouldn't bind - is this what you meant?

Having removed the middle bit of each side of the internals, I glued the internals together with a seam of araldite on the edges reinforced by blobs on the outside. Some black insulation tape was used to stop the araldite ooozing onto the internal surface; it was removed after the araldite had dried.

I didn't bother to brace the internals (other than with the blobs of araldite) as once screwed back together and in the mag casing there's all the stability required.

Rather than cut the top of the mag down, I shortened it from the bottom and merely secured the panel in place with some araldite.

The spring was the most awkward bit to get right - the length really does need to to be just so.

I hope this is useful but for chaps of yours and Jay's skills it'll be a doddle! :D :good:

EDIT

PS: Getting the spring back in place is a right fiddle - like handling a snake covered in butter! Best way I have found is to fully screw the internals back together, push the spring into the hole, leaving a length of spring and the plastic nipple (which will push the BBs along) exposed, loosen off the screws just enough to open up the hole but not enough so that the spring will jump out of the bb tunnel, then push the nipple down into the hole until it is caught by the little BB catch, then fully tighten the screws.

 
Posted : 19/10/2008 2:45 pm
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I was considering using custom made internals to fit real steel G43 mags with the tops from cheap M14 mags. I was wondering about the possibilty of machining out a block of nylon in a similar fashion to the mid cap internals. I will of course let you know if I get anywhere with this. I've also recently got hold of some wood ( and may get some more) so am looking at making my own G43 stock(s) designed to fit around the M14 donor gun.

 
Posted : 19/10/2008 5:46 pm
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