Ditto on the tommy being my first gun...
It's just a shame that despite it being perhaps the best gun for a new WWII player, the M14 is not by any means shape or form a WWII gun!
Ditto on the tommy being my first gun...
It's just a shame that despite it being perhaps the best gun for a new WWII player, the M14 is not by any means shape or form a WWII gun!
Actually, by 'means' it is a WWII gun, in that it is a semi automatic rifle. I am aware that my point is biased towards an American player view, but meh, others used 'em.
The means just outweighs the form in my opinion.
WW2 airsoft, like life, is full of compromises.
I mean, for the axis the Tanaka K98 is just about perfect in every way conceivable (its of the period, a good facsimile, accurate in use, hits targets) but there is no way that can be recommended as a first gun.
The Thompson is great in all these respects too (and has the benefit of being a great open day gun too and well suited to first timers) but compromises accurate deployment in battle. And its this issue that really is the crux of this thread.
I'd have to agree that the M14 is a good starter gun, especially for those who aren't 100% which impression they want to do or even for those players who want to do both Axis and Allies.
It does perfect triple duty; Garand-a-like for US Impression, Gewehr43-a-like for German, and SVT40-a-like for Russian impressions. It's not idea for a Brit impression but, meh, 3 out of 4 ain't bad!
The only gun which does better at being applicable for use by all sides and in all theatre's (excluding pacific of course), and is a genuine period gun, is the MP40! But as said, It's yet another SMG's!
“I wanted to come to the Volga at a specific location at a specific city. By chance it carries the name of Stalin himself. So don’t think I marched there for this reason – it could carry another name – but because there is a very important goal... this goal I wanted to take – and you know – we are very modest, we have it already."
Adolf Hitler, November 1942
"Comrades, Red Army men, commanders and political workers, men and women guerrillas! It is on your perseverance, staunchness, fighting skill and readiness to discharge your duty to the country that the defeat of the German-fascist army and the liberation of the Soviet land from the Hitlerite invaders depend! We can and must clear the Soviet land of Hitlerite vermin."
Joseph Stalin, November 1942
Hehe, my first WWII gun was a Tanaka (not my first airsoft gun though)but I'd agree that its by no means the ideal first gun.Even as afirst WWII gun as it lacks the flexibility of an AEG for use in cold weather and different game styles/sites. Although it does have the advantage of fitting into any possible scenario regardless of date & theatre.
It's just a shame that despite it being perhaps the best gun for a new WWII player, the M14 is not by any means shape or form a WWII gun!
I wouldn't go that far, it may look slightly different but it is essentially just a modified Garand so is a WWII at heart. Its just a shame it seems to be taking the manufacturers so long to realise this!
Did it exist before August 15th 1945?
No... Hence it's not a WWII gun, simple.
I too think a decent Garand would solve a lot of problems... but as I think I've mentioned before, making a nice open day skirmishable garand without compromising and going to an extended M14 mag is going to be very hard to do.
Did it exist before August 15th 1945?
Well technically you could say yes since select fire, magazine fed Garand prototypes were tested from 1944.
Okay... I'll rephrase...
Was it in use prior to August 15th 1945?
By somebody, yes. 
hmmm... I think I'll just burn all that Russian stuff I have for you rather than delivering it as planned this weekend. 
Perhaps I could have a bonfire of my own if the FoR order ever arrives. 
I realised thats somewhat of a lesser threat given the current record... 
Yes your counter-threat did occur to me... as did the weakness of it. 
Perhaps I could have a bonfire of my own if the FoR order ever arrives.
I wouldn't hold my breathe on that one! There's more chance of Elvis solving the JFK conspiracy, whilst predicting this weeks lotto numbers!
When I want your opinion - I'll tell you what it is!
i do agree that the m14 is the best compromise ,i just dont see it happening with the new starts ,if they've got money for an m14 but nothing more exotick then i think they will go for a thompson ,sten ,mp40 or 44 as they are period and of a similal price.shame but true .unless we kidnap warren from s+s lock him in a room and forcing him to make ww2 rifles 24 7 .hmm anybody got his adress?
armoury
m1a1 Thompson,sten mk2,mp40,stg44,sterling,mk2 bren gun,lee Enfield no4 mk1,Mauser Kar98, Walther ppk,smith and Weston m10 and Mauser m712
Give me a big enough hammer and a place to stand and I could fix the world.
i'll kill a man in a fair fight or if i think he's going to start a fair fight or over a woman or.......
a problem shared is a problem halved ,but an advantage shared is no advantage at all
if a job's not worth doing then its certainly not worth doing well
I agreed with the M14 bit of the thread quite alot, until recently. I am in the process of buying an m14 and converting to a Garand. (And i would be happy to see ppl using m14's without beeing converted as i still think they fit.) The only thing which i do disagree with is the use of full auto. At the end of the day i would love to see 7/10 ppl carrying rifles (bolt action or single shot aeg) and the rest a couple of Subs and a MG of some description. (These are my own personal views and i am not trying to make you think my way). But i have seen so many stalemates which happen in games, which wouldnt of happened if single shot was used in a particular area / game. (i know you can single shot a thompson but hey...its not a rifle)
All normal skirmish days (depenedent on site) i would not have a problem with anyone using full auto and if buying a m14 for week in week out use is probably a perfect AEG. (maybe it is the perfect gun after all! ) Just at WW2 days i would prefer it if i was just used on single shot and not another AEG spraying ppl with there bolt action rifles.
I would also like to point out, that i have never atteneded a WW2 event so CIA might have cracked this one already. 
Also its 1AM and my brain has stopped working, so sorry if this didnt make sence!
Just at WW2 days i would prefer it if i was just used on single shot and not another AEG spraying ppl with there bolt action rifles.
I would also like to point out, that i have never atteneded a WW2 event so CIA might have cracked this one already.
Yup, by saying they are to be used on single shot only (unless deployed with a bipod as an MG). A rather simple fix that one.
It was because of a M14 i went and brought a Tanaka K98..We was at a game at Matlock in 2007 when my MP40 went down..some one kindly borrowed me there M14.What a afternoon i had with it..it was great to take out the enemy from a range with a single shot with out getting the usual mullering from there Thomsons.
So my point being..it may or may not be the best Gun to start off with..But it sure showed me what a fantastic day you can have with a Rifle..and i'm sure it will have the same effect on others..
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Perhaps I could have a bonfire of my own if the FoR order ever arrives.
I wouldn't hold my breathe on that one!
Well you could be in luck guys as I just did a search on youtube and Elvis is working on it right now.
Video to follow it is still in the edit stages. 
Free speech is expensive these days!
