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(@rammix)
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:good: thats what I was thinkin, same treatment

I have a real steel deac M1A1 Thompson so will try an go for the same sort of finish :D

looks like Im gonna be very busy for the next few good months! :rofl:

 
Posted : 15/11/2010 12:13 am
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indeed. But before you buy just found out some "bargins" and i use that term loosely as you never know what your going to get.

http://www.ww2airsoft.org.uk/php/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=318&start=285

 
Posted : 15/11/2010 12:19 am
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havin a look now :good:

 
Posted : 15/11/2010 12:33 am
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I'll add my comment here too:

I sent an e-mail to Evike asking for a shipping quote on one of those "M1928s" on 9 September - I haven't had a response yet...

 
Posted : 15/11/2010 12:34 am
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shipping quote after you pay with paypal?? :shock: :roll:

think I will just go for a new outer barrel :good:

 
Posted : 15/11/2010 12:36 am
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I'll add my comment here too:

I sent an e-mail to Evike asking for a shipping quote on one of those "M1928s" on 9 September - I haven't had a response yet...

:shock: customer service fail, which surprises me as they are meant to be "good"

 
Posted : 15/11/2010 12:37 am
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I'll add my comment here too:

I sent an e-mail to Evike asking for a shipping quote on one of those "M1928s" on 9 September - I haven't had a response yet...

let us know if you do get a response from them :)

 
Posted : 15/11/2010 12:40 am
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OK - I won't be needing it myself - I found one in full working order for £150. :D

 
Posted : 15/11/2010 12:43 am
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:rofl: nice come back!

 
Posted : 15/11/2010 12:51 am
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I have a real steel deac M1A1 Thompson so will try an go for the same sort of finish :D

Bear in mind that the WWII finish on M1 and M1A1 Thompsons was grey phosphate, then an almost black phosphate. Thompsons up to and including most M1928A1s were blued, and a lot of M1 and M1A1s were blued when refurbished after the war. It's becoming a habit of both airsofters and reenactors to blue everything they lay their hands on :shock:

 
Posted : 15/11/2010 1:01 am
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I have a real steel deac M1A1 Thompson so will try an go for the same sort of finish :D

Bear in mind that the WWII finish on M1 and M1A1 Thompsons was grey phosphate, then an almost black phosphate. Thompsons up to and including most M1928A1s were blued, and a lot of M1 and M1A1s were blued when refurbished after the war. It's becoming a habit of both airsofters and reenactors to blue everything they lay their hands on :shock:

So the matt black paint on the Cyma M1A1 is a more historically accurate "look" for WW2 use?

 
Posted : 15/11/2010 1:10 am
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cheers, I will bear that in mind once I get started on it :good:

this is my deac here

next to my TM

close up

 
Posted : 15/11/2010 1:16 am
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I have a real steel deac M1A1 Thompson so will try an go for the same sort of finish :D

Bear in mind that the WWII finish on M1 and M1A1 Thompsons was grey phosphate, then an almost black phosphate. Thompsons up to and including most M1928A1s were blued, and a lot of M1 and M1A1s were blued when refurbished after the war. It's becoming a habit of both airsofters and reenactors to blue everything they lay their hands on :shock:

So the matt black paint on the Cyma M1A1 is a more historically accurate "look" for WW2 use?

Yup :) Rub it over with a bit of wire wool to dull it and it'll do the job nicely as the darker phosphate. Magazines should be 'blued" a lovely shiny black.

 
Posted : 15/11/2010 2:06 am
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cheers, I will bear that in mind once I get started on it :good:

this is my deac here

Nice, mate :) I'll post a few photos of my almost mint condition 1942 M1 Thompson tomorrow as a reference to the finish on it.

 
Posted : 15/11/2010 2:10 am
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Here you go. Upper receiver is Auto Ordnance M1, built between April and October 1942, nearer October than April from serial number. It was stamped over with the A1 at a later date, once it had its bolt replaced with the pin and hammerless M1A1 version. Lower receiver M1A1, built by Savage in early to mid 1943. Both in nice grey phosphate finish. On late M1A1 Thompsons, the phosphate became darker in colour, and I suspect the barrel on this weapon is a later replacement. Production stopped in late '43. Notice how matt the finish is compared to the blued magazine, and that is with gun oil on it.







 
Posted : 15/11/2010 11:09 am
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Great pics.

Funnily enough I was considering stripping the paint from my M1A1 and blackening it with chemicals as the paint doesnt really wear all that gracefully in the same way that treated metal does. Paint can flake off in patches and look horrible.

But after seeing these pics I'll just keep it the way it is as it is already quite simlilar to that.

I'll probably gloss lacquer my mags for some contrast :good:

AGM MP40 - AGM STG44 - CYMA Thompson M1A1 - WE P08 4 inch - Marushin M1 Carbine GBB - AGM Sten MkII

 
Posted : 15/11/2010 2:10 pm
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Baggypants, how did you find the year etc on your thompson?

here is the number on mine

and trade


:good:

 
Posted : 15/11/2010 8:10 pm
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I'm afraid it's a bit of guesswork and logical deduction, as there are no records of serial numbers and manufacture dates for wartime Thompsons. Your upper is an Auto Ordnance M1 receiver, like mine, which has been upgraded to A1 status later by replacing the bolt with the simpler hammer and firing pin-less M1A1 version. Unlike mine, yours has also had the rear sight with protectors retro fitted. The M1 receivers were only made from April -> October 1942, and the highest number for an AOC M1 receiver I have seen so far is in the 380000's. Mine is 350088, which puts it towards the end, yours being 232323 would therefore put it somewhere in the middle of production, somewhere around July/August 1942. Thompson M1 and M1A1 models were made by Auto Ordnance and Savage, with Savage making much more than AOC. Total production was 1,400,000, so a rough estimate would be an 800,000/600,000 split between the manufacturers, between April 1942 and production ceasing in late 1943. The lower on mine is a Savage M1A1 (simpler safety and fire selector), serial number 530797, which would put it as an estimated production date of March/April 1943. You can tell the Savage parts, as they have an S stamped somewhere on them, and the uppers usually have an S before the serial number. Auto Ordnance parts have AOC stamped on them. Is your lower matching, or is it a different serial?

 
Posted : 15/11/2010 11:55 pm
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Im not too sure :? I will have to have a look tomorrow night when I get home from work, (Thompson is locked away upstairs and the mrs is a sleep so dont want to wake her up :roll: )
:good:

 
Posted : 16/11/2010 12:13 am
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had a look at my thompson again, both top and bottom have a small s stamped on them, and both numbers match :good:

 
Posted : 17/11/2010 12:08 am
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