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Sgt.Heide
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I've had a few pm's and noted a few posts regarding these, so I thought I'd post up some answers and some pictures to try and help those who've asked.

I know they're not very "WW2" but, the British 24 hour ration pack is an ideal way to supply your nutritional needs for over 24 hours. Much easier to carry and prepare than tinned food, as well as being more "environmentally friendly" as well. There is a huge amount of food and goodies in one and you can pick them up for less than a tenner, cheaper than buying individual "wayfarer" meals. If you're not obsessed with authenticity when it comes to feeding yourself, I'd thoroughly recommend these to anyone, there's lots of choice with the menus too, including veggie and even halal options!

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You see from the picture that you get 3 "boil in the bag" meals. A breakfast, a main meal and a pudding. You also get a shedload of sundries - fruit biscuits, brown biscuits, a tin of spread, marmite, jam, tobasco sauce, a "power" drink, brew kit (more on that in a bit), a pack of tissues, a bag of boiled sweets, hot chocolate, instant soup, 2 chocolate bars and an oatmeal block! That's a huge amount of food in a very small package. You simply boil up some water, plonk in the meal and then eat it hot from the packaging. You can then use the water you've just boiled to make a hot brew, no messtin cleaning involved!

Now, the brew kit....

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You'll see that you get enough for 2 cups of coffee and 4 cups of tea, along with powdered milk and sugar. You also get some gum, a pack of dried fruit, puritabs and some windproof matches. More than enough to last 24 hours, although, if you have a sweet tooth like me, you might run out of sugar.

We'll briefly cover breaking down a ration pack on the training day. Don't feel that you have to get one of these, I'll say it gain, I'm just trying to answer the questions people have asked :good: .



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Topic starter Posted : 09/04/2010 4:32 pm




Steiner
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Thanks for your assistance, Pete. :good:


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Posted : 09/04/2010 4:39 pm




Sgt.Heide
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The sharp eyed among you may notice a choccy bar and the oatmeal block missing from the photos! I got the munchies! :oops:



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Topic starter Posted : 09/04/2010 4:49 pm




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How much water should we be carrying for the 2 days?

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Posted : 09/04/2010 5:34 pm




Sgt.Heide
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I'm personally carrying about 5 litres. If it's hot, you'll get through that much, easily.



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Topic starter Posted : 09/04/2010 5:37 pm




Pete_59
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I've had a quick browse and these people seem to be the cheapest for ration packs at £9.99 each http://www.surplusandoutdoors.com/shop/ ... 32866.html plus they let you select which menu you want, some places are asking nearly £20 and you take pot-luck what you get

With regard to cookers, I was thinking of getting one of these http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... K:MEWAX:IT any comments?



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Posted : 09/04/2010 6:55 pm




Sgt.Heide
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I've picked up current ration packs on Ebay for a fiver. You do get raped for postage as well (the average is £5) but, that's still only a tenner posted. I've seen people selling crappy yank MRE's for more than that (and you need 3 of them a day!).

Edit - just had a look at those you linked to and they're the older type of rations. Nowt wrong with them, just not as much choice on menus and you don't get quite as many goodies in them.

That cooker looks ok, don't forget the fuel for it as well. You can get sachets of gel fuel for pennies (very handy for emergency fire lighting as well). Personally, I use an old fashioned hexi burner!



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Topic starter Posted : 09/04/2010 6:59 pm




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Blimey. 5 litres of water is 5 kilos of weight. Where will I find room for the Vicar of Wakefield?

When I did my three day D of E trekking on Dartmoor in 1983 we took stream water and added purification tablets that made the water taste of soap. We also had awful lamb "curry" ration packs (their italics, not mine) that gave everyone acute indigestion and put me off anything boil-in-the-bag ever since.

Personally I'm torn between the non-1940s aspect of shrinkwrapped meals and gel burners versus Old Un's observation that if you really want to go the whole hog, why not get body lice and trenchfoot like every other frontline soldier? :giggle:

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Posted : 09/04/2010 8:25 pm




Sgt.Heide
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:rofl:

Well, dehydration, slumming it and going hungry is for suckers, I say. Of course, if we have "Churchills' Revenge" weather, there may be a small amount of discomfort involved!

By all means, feel free to use tinned and fresh food (as they would have in the 40's). All I've done here is answer questions about rations, for those who wanted to know and those who may want to know :good:.



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Topic starter Posted : 09/04/2010 8:36 pm




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Well, dehydration, slumming it and going hungry is for suckers, I say.

Absolutely. I also want to come away from the even thinking "that was awesome" rather than "never again", so I'm still undecided.

My layman's thinking is that if you're carrying all your water anyway then there's no benefit to having dried food, so why not carry something fresh or tinned and cook it up on-site. However I've done a few experiments and although it is possible to cook stuff with 2 pot Brit mess kit, the heating power of hexi-burners is only really enough to heat up food rather than cook it. As things like section cookers are pretty much out of the equation in terms of weight that leaves pre-cooked stuff, which is no more authentic than shrinkwrapped food, or tinned sardines - which certainly doesn't fit into the "that was awesome" category.

There's a hole in my bucket, dear Liza, dear Liza... :D

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Posted : 09/04/2010 9:01 pm




Chomley-Warner
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Just to point out that the SAS and German encampments will have sufficient water, should the Jeds find either, and if it is a blistering hot weekend then for safety's sake we'll have a stash somewhere accessible. However, it would be utter folly NOT to carry sufficient water to prevent dehydration, just as any other airsoft event.

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Posted : 09/04/2010 9:11 pm




Sgt.Heide
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Martin, Brit ration packs aren't dried food, they just need heating, so no extra water required. You can cook on a proper fire, using the hot embers. We'll certainly have a screened, concealed fire going in the SAS camp during daylight hours for any in field Gordon Ramsey's who want to cook, hell, I might even bring some bacon with me and knock up some bannock bread as well, if I have time. I like boil in the bag stuff because I don't like cleaning messtins!

If you really fancy a full on, "awesome" experience, I'm sure you could find some suitable Ray Mears wild food stuff on youtube to take inspiration from. I could spend a whole day on teaching foraging but, we just don't have the time on this training day.



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Topic starter Posted : 09/04/2010 9:19 pm




(@bedsnherts)
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Roger that. We probably won't have time to forage for worm-and-moss casserole on the actual event either, so maybe I'm just making too much of it (again) :D

Anyhoo, suffice to say that I'm über-excited about both the training day and the event. :happyclap:

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Posted : 09/04/2010 9:27 pm




Sgt.Heide
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Anyhoo, suffice to say that I'm über-excited about both the training day and the event. :happyclap:

You and me both mate! I'll try to point out edible stuff on the training day, if I can remember to whilst munching on oatmeal blocks and boiled sweets!



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Topic starter Posted : 09/04/2010 9:32 pm




marsha
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I've picked up current ration packs on Ebay for a fiver. You do get raped for postage as well (the average is £5) but, that's still only a tenner posted. I've seen people selling crappy yank MRE's for more than that (and you need 3 of them a day!).

Edit - just had a look at those you linked to and they're the older type of rations. Nowt wrong with them, just not as much choice on menus and you don't get quite as many goodies in them.

That cooker looks ok, don't forget the fuel for it as well. You can get sachets of gel fuel for pennies (very handy for emergency fire lighting as well). Personally, I use an old fashioned hexi burner!

have you got the link for those ration packs?





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Posted : 10/04/2010 3:03 am




Steiner
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Ebay is your best bet, Marsha.


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Posted : 10/04/2010 8:37 am




marsha
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there so many on ebay not which one is the right one to get





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Posted : 10/04/2010 12:02 pm




Sgt.Heide
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http://shop.ebay.co.uk/i.html?_trkparms ... 286.c0.m14

Lots under a search for "ration pack". Try to pay as close to a tenner as possible, including post if you can. Again, I'll reiterate that you don't have to get one if you dont' want to!

There are currently some on Ebay for £7.50 "buy it now" + £4.50 p&p. Older menus but, still good.



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Topic starter Posted : 10/04/2010 12:09 pm




Chomley-Warner
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I have to say I'm a bit gob-smacked by the new ration pack! I found the old ones almost completely inedible. Well, OK, they were edible and I'm sure I was getting sufficient calories and nutrients but I didn't find ANY menu pleasant. Bullet-like sausages/faggots, puddings that were sweeter than eating a bag of sugar etc (I still have bits and bobs of the least appetising stuff in my food box. I don't know why, I'll never eat it!)
* cue some ex-serviceman to say they would be happy to eat them everyday for the rest of their lives :giggle: *

But the new kit sounds very tempting:

MENU 1 : Strawberry Porridge, Western Tuna Pasta, Apple Raspberry Blackcurrant Fruit Purée, Steak & Vegetables, Fruit Cocktail in Pineapple, Fruit & Nut Mix, Fruit & Nut Oat Bar, Raspberry Shortcake Biscuit, Exotic Isotonic, Raspberry Squash, Lemon Energy Drink, Hot Chocolate Original, non food items (Please see list below).

MENU 2: Oat Breakfast, Chicken & Vegetable Soup, Strawberry Banana Apple Fruit Purée, Chicken Tikka Masala, Pilau Rice, Lemon Sponge Pudding, Oat & Fruit Biscuit, Exotic Isotonic, Berry Squash, Raspberry Energy Drink, Hot Chocolate Mint, non food items (Please see list below).

MENU 3: Pork Sausage Omelette & Beans, Mexican Tuna Pasta, Apple Peach Fruit Purée, Chili Corn Carne, Pilau Rice, Choc Chip Cake, Fruit & Nut Mix, Mixed Fruit Grains, Oreo Cookies, Cherry isotonic, Orange & Cranberry Squash, Lemon Energy Drink, Hot Chocolate Orange, non food items (Please see list below).

MENU 4: All Day Breakfast, Ham & Tomato Noodle, Kiwi Passion Apple Fruit Puree, Paella, Rice Pudding with Jam Sachet, Fruit & Nut Mix, Mixed Fruit Grains, Ginger Biscuits, Lucozade Lemon Isotonic, Strawberry Squash, Raspberry Energy Drink, Hot Chocolate Original, non food items (Please see list below).

MENU 5: Chicken Sausage & Beans, Western Tuna Pasta, Mango Banana Apple fruit Puree, Beef Ravioli in Mushroom Sauce, Fruit Cocktail in Light Syrup, Fruit & Nut Mix, Oat Bar, Ginger Biscuits, Lucozade Orange Isotonic, Blackcurrant Squash, Lemon Energy drink, Hot Chocolate Mint, non food items (Please see list below).

MENU 6: Natural Muesli, Pasta salad, Mango Banana Apple fruit Puree, Yellow Chicken Curry, Pilau Rice, Pineapple Tidbits, Biscuit & Sultana Flapjack, Oreo Cookies, Lucozade Orange isotonic, Blackcurrant squash, Lemon Energy Drink, Hot Chocolate Orange, non food items (Please see list below).

MENU 7: Fruity Muesli, Italian Tuna Pasta, Kiwi Passion Apple Fruit Puree, Sweet & Sour Chicken, Pilau Rice, Sliced Peaches with Syrup, Caramel Snack, Oat & Fruit Biscuit, Lucozade Lemon Isotonic, Strawberry Squash, Raspberry Energy Drink, Hot Chocolate Original, non food items (Please see list below).

MENU 8: Stawberry Porridge, Western Tuna Pasta, Apple Peach Fruit Puree, vegetable Korma, Pilau Rice, Sliced Pears in Syrup, Fruit & Nut Mix, Oat Bar, Cherry Isotonic, Orange & Cranberry Squash, Lemon Energy Drink, Hot Chocolate Mint, non food items (Please see list below).

MENU 9: Fruitful Muesli, Salmon Pasta Salad, Strawberry Banana Apple Fruit Puree, Beef & Cassava, Sliced Apples, Fruit & Nut Mix, Cranberry Energy Bar, Raspberry Shortcake Biscuit, Lemon & Lime Isotonic, Berry Squash, Raspberry Energy Drink, Hot Chocolate Orange, non food items (Please see list below).

MENU 10: Toasted Muesli, Mixed Bean Pasta, Apple Raspberry Blackcurrant Fruit Puree, Chicken Arrabiata, Fruit Cocktail in Pineapple, Fruit & Nut Mix, Strawberry Fruit Bar, Oat & Fruit Biscuit, Exotic Isotonic, Rasberry Squash, Lemon Energy, Hot Chocolate Original, non food items (Please see list below).

MENU 11: Pork Sausage & Beans, Tuna Chilli Pasta, Apple Raspberry Blackcurrant Fruit Puree, Tuna Rigatoni, Lemon Sponge Pudding, Fruit & Nut Mix, Caramel Energy Bar, Oreo Cookies, Exotic Isotonic, Rasberry Squash, Lemon Energy Drink, Hot Chocolate Original, non food items (Please see list below).

MENU 12: Toasted Muesli, Tomato & Basil Soup, Strawberry Banana Apple Fruit Puree, Chunky Chicken, Pilau Rice, Exotic Fruit Cocktail, Oat Bar, Ginger Biscuits, Lemon & Lime Isotonic, Berry Squash, Raspberry Energy Drink, Hot Chocolate Mint, non food items (Please see list below).

MENU 13: Fruitful Muesli, Chicken & Veg Soup, Apple Peach Fruit Puree, Chicken Tomato, Sliced Pears in Syrup, Fruit & Nut Mix, Cranberry Energy Bar, Ginger Biscuit, Cherry isotonic, Orange & Cranberry Squash, Lemon Energy Drink, Hot Chocolate Orange, non food items (Please see list below).

MENU 14: Bacon Omelette Beans, Tomato & Basil Soup (D), Kiwi Passion Apple Fruit Puree, Lamb Curry, Pilau Rice, Sliced Peaches in Syrup, Caramel Snack Bar, Oreo Cookies, Lucozade Lemon Isotonic, Strawberry Squash, Raspberry Energy Drink, Hot Chocolate Original, non food items (Please see list below).

MENU 15: Fruity Muesli, Bean Pasta Salad, Mango Banana Apple Fruit Puree, Sweet & Sour, Pineapple Tidbits, Fruit & Nut Mix, Strawberry Fruit Bar, Oat & Fruit Biscuit, Lucozade Orange Isotonic, Blackcurrant Squash, Lemon Energy drink, Hot Chocolate Mint, non food items (Please see list below).

MENU 16: Natural Muesli, Pasta Salad (B), Mango Banana Apple Fruit Puree, Thai Green Curry, Pilau Rice, Sliced Apple, Apricot Snack Bar, Oreo Cookies, Lucozade Orange Isotonic, Blackcurrant Squash, Lemon Energy drink, Hot Chocolate Orange, non food items (Please see list below).

MENU 17: Chicken Sausage & Beans, Salmon Pasta Salad, Kiwi Passion Apple Fruit Puree, Beef Stroganoff, Pilau Rice, Rice Pudding with Jam Sachet, Fruit & Nut Mix, Golden Oat Bar, Raspberry Shortcake Biscuit, Lucozade Lemon Isotonic, Strawberry Squash, Raspberry Energy Drink, Hot Chocolate Original, non food items (Please see list below).

MENU 18: All Day Breakfast, Ham & Tomato Noodle, Apple Peach Fruit Puree, Green Chicken, Pilau Rice, Chocolate Chip Cake, Fruit & Nut Mix Caramel Energy Bar, Cherry Isotonic, Orange & Cranberry Squash, Raspberry Energy Drink, Hot Chocolate Mint, non food items (Please see list below).

MENU 19: Sausage Omelette & Beans, Mexican Tuna Pasta, Strawberry Banana Apple Fruit Puree, Beef Rib &, Fruit Cocktail in light Syrup, Fruit & Nut Mix, Biscuit & Sultana Flapjack, Raspberry Shortcake Biscuit, Lemon & Lime Isotonic, Berry Squash, Raspberry Energy Drink, Hot Chocolate Orange, non food items (Please see list below).

MENU 20: Oat Breakfast, Italian Tuna Pasta, Apple Raspberry Blackcurrant Fruit Puree, Paella, Exotic Fruit Cocktail, Fruit & Nut Mix, Fruit & Oat Snack Bar, Ginger Biscuit, Lemon & Lime Isotonic, Raspberry Squash, Lemon Energy Drink, Hot Chocolate Original, non food items (Please see list below).

Non Food Items: 4 sugar sachets, 4 Beverage Whitener Sachets, 3 Coffee Sachets, 2 Teabags, Boiled Sweets, Matches, Tabasco Sauce, Tissues, Steri tabs, 2 Wet Wipes, 3 Dental Chewing Gums, Re-useable poly bag, Spoon.

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Posted : 10/04/2010 12:23 pm




Sgt.Heide
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Those are the very latest menus I think. They certainly sound nice! Personally, I really like the corned beef hash and steak & vegetables, although you can't get them in the same pack :slap:.

Contrary to popular belief, packs are not designed to bung up your digestive system any more, nor is there bromide in the tea!



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Topic starter Posted : 10/04/2010 1:02 pm




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