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Gadge
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Tiny recently very kindly gave me an old officers service dress jacket.

Its badged up as a staff lt col of either the green jackets or light infantry. (black bugle and cords kings crown buttons, brass lt col rank and staff officer tabs).

Now my gut feeling is that given the insignia is all KC its WWII (its in a sorry state but fixable) but i have a nagging feeling it might *possibly* be a lash up for a stage performance.

Can any one shed some light on:

The mahoosive ammount of medals
Are the para wings WWII era
Are the staff tabs right... while im thinking the red silk cord for infantry should be correct would it not be dark green for rifles/light inf?

I've been doinbg so much cold war lately my WWIIfu is rusty, that and i'm not really into service dress uniforms.




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Posted : 28/02/2012 10:53 pm
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Regarding the Medals:

Top Row
Order of Bath; Distinguished Service Order; 1914 or 1914/15 star; British War Medal 1914-18;

Second Row NB this row is back to front/upside down. In the order they currently are
Jubilee Medal 1935; War Medal 1939-45; Defence Medal 1939-45; Victory Medal 1914-19 with Mention in Despatches

Third Row
Coronation Medal 1937; Coronation Medal 1953; Territorial Decoration; Efficiency Decoration with 3 additional 6 year bars

So someone with the awards CB (at least), DSO and TD and tons of service as an officer in the Territorials - war service counts double (and OR service half) for both TD and ED but 20 years required for former and 12 for latter which replaced the former in 1930 so if in the Territorial Force in 1914 that would give 4 years war service + 12 years to 1930 for the TD and then 9 years +12 war + a further 9 post war to give the ED with 3 bars. So probably at least 40 years somewhere between 1908 and maybe as late as 1959 or even later.

In short the medal ribbons appear entirely consistent with an officer with long service in the TF and then TA.

I'm afraid I can't really help with the staff tabs but I'm sure you know that the rank is Colonel rather than Lt Colonel.

The 1953 Coronation medal which has been slotted in to the bar of course implies service in to QC button period but I don't know the rules on button changing and who tells the old colonel to change his buttons?

Finally I suspect from the TF/TA service that the para wings may be nonsense although again I can't really help as to their type.

Charlie

I have a small skewer hidden in the collar of my jumping jacket, and a razorblade in my gaiter, as well as my knife.

 
Posted : 29/02/2012 12:33 am
Gadge
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yep of course its a full col. sorry i think a combination of reading a book on old H Jones and being on formidable ammounts of painkillers confused me there.

Cheers for the info, as said medals and insignia have never interested me that much and it would have taken me some time to have found that out myself.




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Posted : 29/02/2012 9:49 am
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The para wings are modern issue. I think they are also incorrect for SD. Should be a better quality embroided version. As UG states the other insignia could be consistent
The original owner may be in this list [link]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Companions_of_the_Order_of_the_Bath[/link]



 
Posted : 29/02/2012 1:18 pm
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Oddly it came with a british army wooley pully that also had Colonels rank slides on but with a ver dark blue backing, it may *possibly be* dark green rifles backing and the die has run as it was rather water marked. IIRC the crowns and pips were the traditional white/offwhite thread though.

Pully was a V neck weirdly but with black button down epaulettes, not a style i'm familiar with tbh.




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Posted : 29/02/2012 4:48 pm
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What denotes the wings as modern btw, a google image search showed them to look the same as wwii ones to me?




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Posted : 29/02/2012 4:52 pm
Ramsay00105
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Early WWII would be padded and different shape of wings and backing. Later WWII are similar, it is mismatch of colour to SD that makes them unlikely to be that old.
Is the quality of the stitching as bad as it looks in the photographs?



 
Posted : 29/02/2012 6:26 pm
Gadge
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Yup :)

I think they've defintiely been put on by somebody else later. Also I'll need to check but i think all the medals are individually stitched on whch makes the middle row being backwards even more odd...




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Posted : 29/02/2012 9:35 pm
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The wings just look like a grubby set of current issue ones to me, mate. Definitely looks like a theatrical costume ! Very..Black-Adder-esque ...apart from the wings :wink:

 
Posted : 06/05/2012 4:01 pm
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