Hmmm. Sometimes in the summer I sleep in my garden in my bivi because it's lovely to watch the stars and wake up with the morning chorus of the birds.
I think I may be in a minority here.
I think you might be.... 
I sleep with the window open - dawn chorus sounds just great and the bed is comfy! And I can see the stars if the curtains are open. man, stars are boring. 
Oh its ok and i used to love it when i was serving as i was more a field soldier than a barracks lad... but my spine plays merry hell if i sleep in a proper bed somedays and a night on hard earth wont do it any favours.
I'm potentially up for like pup tents with roll matts and modern sleeping kit inside but I'd hate to wake after a flash shower in the night and find out i was complelty soaked and in a bad mood to game all day!
"I think we are in rats' alley - Where the dead men lost their bones."
Camp beds can be "in period"
Personally i see zero point in 'roughing it' unless absolutely neccesary.
Um, this is historically more accurate than having a bunch of tents like a group of boy scouts IMHO & I certanly don't want a seperate out of game camping area that would be sooo ghey .
I reckon some modern kit but with the look of WWII . Bivi bags, thermorest campo beds all ok , blue Argos nylon tents are a bit crap .
Don't think it's fair at all to start stipulating tent types and so on at all
Is there anything stopping us asking the players what they want to do . ? 
This was billed as the chance to live like a Landser or Tommy for 24 hours , I'm not honestly advocating shivering under a blanket all night .
If I wanted to do 'living history' I'd join a living history group.
Finally aren't we trying to be WWII reeancting airsofters ?
Ouch, big difference between WWII reeancting airsofters and living history!
Why does the sleeping arrangements figure so strongly in all this - we'll all be asleep except for those who 'say' they will be going out on night patrols.
Hmmm. Sometimes in the summer I sleep in my garden in my bivi because it's lovely to watch the stars and wake up with the morning chorus of the birds.
I think I may be in a minority here.
Thats only coz you were too pissed to find the door key 
Normal camping at IEd looks like bivi bags, doss bags, camp beds or thermorests and bashas . Add period tents or zelts and thats the look I personally would like to have . Food is generally rations or similar , cooked up on standard kit . .
Why does the sleeping arrangements figure so strongly in all this
Because I want the feel of WWII to continue for 24 hours not just the during the day if at all possible .
Re reading my earlierpost though , I'd like ot throw this out to the players ot guagewhat they would want ot go for .
OK thats fine, I misunderstood your brief, I'll be bugging out of this game - not my scene at all.
OK thats fine, I misunderstood your brief, I'll be bugging out of this game - not my scene at all.
Thats an extreme POV to a mere debate at this stage . I'd rather keep you on board rather than have the teddies thown out of the cot (tent)
Is there any mileage in suggesting a fourth option of both?
Those who want to 'rough it' can do so if they want the immersive experience and those who would prefer the Eurocamp option can do that if they want.
There's nothing to stop people bringing a nylon tent and pitching it a couple of hundred yards away from the WWII themed area is there? That way they can join in with the night activities of eating in the open, communing with nature and going on patrols whilst having the option to sleep in relative comfort.
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Steve's option gets my vote. Let those who want to go for the authentic experience do so, and those who dont, well, hardly going to hurt is it?
Just tell people they wont need to bring a palace with em, just enough tent/zelt/basha space for the weekend.
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When we were an Empire it was run by an Empress
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Steve's option gets my vote. Let those who want to go for the authentic experience do so, and those who dont, well, hardly going to hurt is it?
Just tell people they wont need to bring a palace with em, just enough tent/zelt/basha space for the weekend.
Erm , without risking pissing of David anymore that was were I thought we were heading . I reckon there will be a number of people who wanto t go fully authentic, those who dont want to do more than camp out and a happy house somewhere in between . We can camouflage Eurocamp tents with cammo netting, however I would still look to encourage players ot go more authentic if possible without breaking the bank .
I'll write up a kit list for version 2 of this debate .
How about defining two areas in each camp... one for people with period tents (etc) and one for people with non-period stuff?
That way the people who have put the extra effort in don't have it ruined by having their 40s tent placed next to a nylon thing from argos?
Oh... thats kinda steve's option.. 
I reckon the main thing is the tent used. If people use a period looking tent they get into the period area... otherwise its nylon city for them!
BTW, Gadge... Anchor have a load of camp beds in which are almost identical to the ones used in WW2 by the brits and will work in a pup tent. They also have pup tents from what I remember.
How about defining two areas in each camp... one for people with period tents (etc) and one for people with non-period stuff?
That way the people who have put the extra effort in don't have it ruined by having their 40s tent placed next to a nylon thing from argos?
Oh... thats kinda steve's option..
I reckon the main thing is the tent used. If people use a period looking tent they get into the period area... otherwise its nylon city for them!
BTW, Gadge... Anchor have a load of camp beds in which are almost identical to the ones used in WW2 by the brits and will work in a pup tent. They also have pup tents from what I remember.
Could do , although I'd rather not ostracise people for not affording proper kit . We can plan the camping to quietly keep the modern stuff ot one side perhaps , maybe hide it with cammo net ? Anyway I've written a more open kit list . Hopefully as with all our ideas people will rise up ot the challange of some period flavour stuff and surpise us with their efforts.
As below, your thoughts appreciated
With the upcoming Churchill
With the upcoming Churchill
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Dear all
If this looks ok as a starting point then I'll post it up on the open forum tonight.
Just to be clear, I'm not pissed off. If you want to go for a fully authentic gig that's not a problem and fine by me - don't make allowances or compromises for my sake, it matters not one whit.
CW, I'd love to do a fully authentic ww2 airsoft event at some point... this one isn't going to be it though!
We've advertised this very much as a standard CiA (but IED style 24 hour) event. Hence we can't now change that without pissing people off!
I reckon though if we allow those who have got the authentic kit to do it fully authentic then that would be great. Kind of like a living history bit within the main event if you see what I mean?
Perhaps even encourage it some how? Hmm... Maybe see if we can get a deal on repro rations for all attendees? or something like that? Just throwing ideas around... brainstorming if you will. Again this may not be appropriate to this event, but may be good idea for another one?
Though it'd be great to have video of each side's camps with proper tents being used (etc)...
Note that event when I've been to a re-enactment event we've used 58 pat sleeping bags (etc) inside the tents! Heck we even cooked on non-authentic cooking equipment once the public had gone (which disappointed the stitch counter in me) ... I'm actually personally considering going further than we normally do at those events for the Churchill's event. (yes, I have my trench cooker and repro rations ready)
So make the suggestion that people do it right, but allow them some leeway... just as we have done every other time!
BTW, I'll have more idea as to what will be needed to do this 100% (or near as dammit) "in period" after the 24 hour event I'm going to in about 2 weeks time.
Oh just one thing.... Make sure in the German camp especially, that all inauthentic equipment is out of the way of any period props we have. It'd be shit to have shots of a V1 with a dome tent behind it!
This is one good reason for actually officially assigning areas for period and non-period tents...
So make the suggestion that people do it right, but allow them some leeway... just as we have done every other time!
yep 100% with this. Fullt authentic camping is a way off yet . I reckon our players will do us proud as ever though . Just didn't want a sea of blue dome tents in our period bases. 
I'd like ot to look militray rather than civvy , even if it means modern military . That'll be a good starting point.
Oh just one thing.... Make sure in the German camp especially, that all inauthentic equipment is out of the way of any period props we have. It'd be shit to have shots of a V1 with a dome tent behind it!
This is one good reason for actually officially assigning areas for period and non-period tents...
The V1 will be about 200m from the german base/camp area, this will stop us all fighting amongst people's gear. Non period tents will be put deeper into the woods so hopefully less visible. We can also ask players to let them down flat before game on . Allied camp will be miles away and not in the fight at all .
I would like the camps to be like regens, pretty much left alone .
