[Sticky] Now renamed the general conversation thread

Ah, Gadge and Yith up to their usual toy throwing.

Nige is also being very precious. People need to chill out man!

Yeah, trying to ring Nige now...

Passed on by a friend - excerpt from weird goings-on on PBI forum (now removed from public gaze).

Weird. I read something petty on there the other day that flared up into a big argument between Yith and Gadge.

Didn't know you'd fallen out with them by the way......

I haven't - I don't fall out with anyone!
I was somewhat gobsmacked at Gadge's cowardice at not telling me he had set up a PBI forum despite me being with the whole PBI crowd over the Crich weekend. Still, I'm not getting involved in their silly power games and shite of no consequence but blimey - that text doesn't half remind me what it was like before we got rid of Yith and Gadge from CiA!!!

So what's all that about you being ousted?

"you passed the buck totally and made it look like i'd kicked dave out of pbi and you had no knowledge of events"

"You basically blamed the fall out with dave on everybody else and had slopey shoulders"

Yith really is a total dick....

Well, if you want the complete story....

Me

Well, I hear from someone else that PBI have set up their own forum. Cheers for telling me.
Could you make arrangements to move your web site as well please so I can recover some disk space.
No rush, sometime in the next couple of weeks is fine.

If you could have a think about what forum stuff needs to remain on the CiA forum that would be good - I'll then just put a permanent external link in it's place.

cheers
David

Yith reply

I am sorry you heard about it this way.

To be honest I have had very little to do with this as I was actually against it myself. First I heard was when I was presented a completed forum last week. Then everyone seems to have started posting on it.

It seems that Evo and Gadge wanted to tell you before people started using it, but that all went tits up.

Anyway Gadge has been meaning to talk to you about it, but what with all the Jedburgh stuff going on didn't want to cause you any more grief. He also I understand didn't quite know how to go about telling you!

Anyway, please don't hold it against us.

I understand the main use of the forum will be for organising the re-enactment part of PBI anyway.

My reply

Having had a look I see everyone else has been posting away.

Since you haven't had the decency to tell me, let alone invite me, I'll take it as a 'fek off Chomley'. I don't mind, really I don't, but you could have had the decency to say it to my face when you had the opportunity. This way is not only childish but it's cowardly.

Anyhoo, hope it goes well. I'll be CO for the 16th SS at Victory so I'll catch up with you there.

David

Yith

It's nowt to do with me Dave... Please don't bring me in personally as regards this! It was beyond my control, I was almost in the dark as much as you! I had put a veto on this previously, but this time they just went ahead and did it without me. I couldn't hardly argue with it any more after "Nige-gate" last week!

I think what you did for the PBI display was brilliant and I'm not at all happy about how this has been done either!

I personally wanted everything to stay on CiA forums, but was out-voted. Personally, I really could do with not having yet another forum to keep track of!

Gadge

Dave, i'm hoping we got cut off and it wasnt simply the phone being put down.

Now i've been told that Yith has said this was nothing to do with him and its all big bad me that did it.

Simply not the case.

NIge, Evo and I as the majority of PBI organisers wanted a space where we could discuss things about the group and with the group. Rich was privy to every step of this and although he was not keen on the idea said he would not stop us if that was what was wanted. The idea was also put to all group members at Crich on Saturday and agreed unanimously although Rich maintains he abstained.

I'm sorry you were not told sooner but when you arrived at Crich you were blatantly bothered about the jedburgh cancellation, refunds and other forum stuff and it seemed a bad time to bring it up. A good time did not come up on Sunday either, while I didnt hear any of the conversation I heard you and Nige debating forums and was hoping it had been mentioned then.

Essentially the board has zero impact on CIA, its there to debate the more 'stitch nazi' elements of our kit, work out displays and co-ordinate for the re-enactment side of events. PBI's public side has evolved past just a single board IMO.

There are several other reasons for doing this and i'll honestly list them all.

On a re-enactment basis if we meet potential new members skeptical of airsoft I'd rather they had a 're-enactment heavy' point of contact. On a similar note it doesnt make us look very professional to be a small sub section on someone elses umbrella forum.

Another reason is that the sort of stuff we want to discuss becomes the butt of jokes among others and other CIA forum members start getting uneasy about it becoming too re-enactment.

Now you should have been told sooner but to be honest, we were expecting a big row and to be shouted down as we are with a lot of things on CiA boards. Nige wont post on their now for example, so how can we co-ordinate with the group if one of our number doesn't want to use the forum. Equally Evo was annoyed at your comments re photography he'd spent time on for others benefit. I've tried to bring up heavy handed modding with you before and the way that folk pile in on things and again was pretty much told to shut up.

PBI do need their own 'team' for want of a better word forum for all the things that dont really concern airsoft. Theres a massive crossover but its not always there and if we want to recruit new players from the re-enactment scene we feel its the best way to do it... you may disagree but its the majority feel of the group we run. I dont dictate CiAs policies but i know that if we'd have broached this for discussion it would have been shouted down. Remember how Welsh was treated by Guy when he wanted a local forum?

Its tricky because on one side you have a global forum but at the same time its partisan and modded by guys with a vested interest (as any forum run by people who also run games will be)

This was a decision made by PBI for the benefit of the re-en side of it. I dont see why the two cannot co-exist and be mutually beneficial, while one section of the new board is ther e for airsoft we dont inted to use it for anything other than organising squad formations and tactics etc. Did dog co having a site and forum damage CiA, of course not.

I can understand you're hurt about not being told earlier. That was wrong and I'm sorry. You should have been told but I just couldn't.) find a good time to tell you (and in fairness three other people were present with equal responsibility to do so. To tell you before might have caused an unholy row putting the event in jeopardy (as the Nige incident with poacher almost did), Saturday seemed a bad time in the day because of Jedburgh and you left in the evening when i thought we could have chatted about it off the area. Equally my mindset on Sunday and the discomfort I was in would have made any minor disagreement flare into a row.

I am sorry you've been hurt over this, you are a valued member of the group and while I completely understand you probably now want nothing to do with PBI , i hope you can reconsider when time makes this less cutting.

Sorry David, you should have been told first out of courtesy, if you're livid about that then I cant argue with that but please dont be upset we've decided to push out the re-enactment side of PBI.

My reply to Gadge

Blummin heck Gadge get a grip.

1. Cut off? I haven' spoken to you since Sunday.

2. I'm not hurt or indeed livid (feck me, I have a life) I'm just dismayed at the juvenile behaviour by those who should know better. That includes those who have no balls to speak face to face and well as those who throw tantrums on forums and flounce off at the drop of a hat or indeed are two-faced.

3. i hope you can reconsider when time makes this less cutting. Reconsider what? I haven't done or said anything. You removed me from the circle. I have absolutely no problem with that, its your prerogative and I'm not unduly bothered.

4. I'm not the sort of person to have rows. I can analyse and rationalise - something which others are unable - which is why I can debate a point yet others just see it as a personal attack and are unable to hold a point.

5. I wasn't blatantly bothered by the Jedburgh cancellation as anyone who has spoken to me about it will know. All it meant was I had many work-hours wasted on Friday dealing with correspondence and admin and therefore didn't have any free time to come and help set up on Friday, as intended, for which I apologise.

I have asked Rich to move your web site so I can free up a bit of my server space since you now have made your own arrangements.

Since Guy is away having his mid-life crisis (and so isn't around to do a 'Fluffy') I have made forum adjustments and moved the CiA section of the forum - we now come under WW2 games the same as everyone else. A bit more democratic and less 'high-handed' I hope you will feel.

Before I forget - next PBI camp please make sure members are tasked with duties. It wasn't a problem but I went and fetched water ten times in the two days and went on wood collecting expeditions 12 times. Even when I asked others to put wood on the fire/fetch water/wood/put tea on, it was like asking the impossible and it often didn't happen. No idea why - perhaps I was too polite!

Anyhoo, just to reiterate, I'm disappointed by PBI's secret goings on but not hurt - I'm older and wiser than you kids. Well, older.

Gadge

Dave

I am sorry.

I don't want you out of any circle I just didn't want a row and it was something decided as organizers. we've handled it very badly but we do really want you in the group, you're a fantastic re-en actor and a good bloke to have about (and funny too).

Initially we put it up as a trial and thought we'd launch it after Crich if the group agreed they wanted it. I'll freely admit i didnt have the balls to bring it up as i was expecting a massive confrontation after what guy was like with Welsh and was waiting for a good moment and the courage to bring it up, neither came.

It was supposed to be trialed by the organisers but quickly ended up being used to discuss stuff (in the past my inbox had been clogged with dozens of mails to sort out stuff between us). After mentioning it to those who were at he vote at crich its evidently quickly been used for its purpose of discussing re-enactment events.

You're very welcome in PBI and I'm sorry if our actions make you want to leave. I also appreciate what you said about having to be careful about finances and event atendance so might be cutting back next year anyway.

As for doing stuff for the good of all, i realaise you must have a full juggling match trying to be fair and impartial and at the same time reign in other mods like myself or guy when we go overboard.

I think i can empathise how you might feel, i think i probably felt the same when i was booted out of CiA after conversations behind my back - the difference here is that nobody is booting you out of anything, i just hadn't sent you the memo with the team forum address on yet for the above reasons.

Your points about work duties are incredibly valid. One of the reasons for the new board was to discuss minutiae like that

If you look at the thread here:

http://www.pbi.dieselmonkey.net/forum/v ... p?f=2&t=16

I try and address our shortcomings, not something i want to do in front of the whole CIA/ww2airsoft/gunman etc community, while the new board is publicly viewable you're unlikely to find it unless you're looking for it.

I was getting very annoyed that a few people were doing all the work and that others were disappearing when sandbags needed filling or water fetching or washing up done. Equally i'd put time in the schedule as free time to go shopping or mooch about and when we used that time I was hassled that there were not 'things to do'

If you'd like us to move the PBI pages cool, im sure rich can do so, i didnt think four pages took up much room?

I'm also sorry if i misunderstood you over Jedburgh, you seemed stressed and put out on the phone about the amount of time it had taken up sorting it and although you might have not been bothered I made an assumption you would have been and just didnt want to burden us with it. When we cancelled oosterbeck it made us all a bit grumpy for a day or two.

And as for cut off, i called your number it was answered and then i said 'are you ok' and had 'yeah im fine' and i said 'well obviously not as you're upset about the board' and then the phone went dead.

(i can save the call log if you like )

I can only apologise personally for not having the moral fortitude to bring it up with you either pre event or there. I can apologise on behalf of the group as wel but its meaningless to do so.

Please do continue to parade with us, if you've made not decison to leave, we've not asked you to either so unless you *do* want to leave PBI then I'd be happy if you stayed with us

Sorry its come out like this.

Gareth

My reply

Thank you for the apology Gareth, I appreciate it.

Its the web site I asked Rich to move over, no need for me to host it now you have your own space. Also relieves me of the temptation to say 'feck it PBI' and switch it off in a moment of red mist! (Heh, PBI has 100 MB of space and one server slot out of 30 I have leaving me with just 3 spare - so I'd have to do something at some point anyway. Which reminds me, I must do something about the A2C site as well!)

Phone call mystery explained, now I am at home. You rang my home number, James ran downstairs, answered and got an earful of gabble. Thinking it was some drunk he put the phone down and in doing so recognised your voice, by which time it was too late!
Mind you, I wish I'd had the satisfaction of slamming the phone down on you, perhaps next time?

Anyhoo, I won't be joining the new forum - that way no one can get annoyed and you can merrily get on with your own thing. Most reenactors, indeed most airsofters, don't indulge in forums - probably a good thing!

I'll be with the 16th SS at Victory, if you are going and want a chat, otherwise I'll probably see you next year sometime.

Scaleyback

dave, i know other members have apologised publicly and privately for the new forum feck up.

i am going to add my personal sorry to the list.i am sure you have heared that it wasnt a cloaked attempt to oust you from pbi, and it wasnt, it was just a badly handled botch up. time and cercumstance conspired agiamst us, and the bit of unpleasentness involving pbi on the cia forum didnt help.

you are a much valued member and friend, please dont read stuff into it that wasnt there. mistakes were made that may have looked bad, but rest assured, as bad as it might have made you feel, we felt worse. yith was very angry that he was the fourth person to hear about it not the first, so we had his wrath to deal with and it made us aprehensive of your response.

please dont feel let down or betrayed. and i hope that when your personal circumstances
take a turn for the better, you will be there dispensing you own brand of humour and quiet balance to the pbi group.

yours in friendship

nigel.

My reply

Cheers Nige.

Honestly, I'm not bothered - I'm a grown up (some aren't, judging by today's goings on at PBI ) and can see things for what they are. I've not fallen out with any one - ever. Even those who I'm not best pleased with I'll still pass the day with. Heh, CiA have supposedly fallen out with Dog Company (actually, its the other way around) but I still chatted with them in the evening at Gulch - even after witnessing the most appalling cheating I have ever seen at ANY event from some of them!

Mate, I tried to explain at Crich - its just forum bollox and a bit of hot-headedness. I'll do PBI reenacting stuff, why not, but for the moment anyway I'll keep away from the PBI forum and let Yith and Gadge lord it over their own domain - they have enough to contend with without me sticking my oar in!

David

There you go - chapter and verse

He's only still alive for one simple reason.

It's illegal to kill him.

Christ. What a fafferama.

Why on earth has Scaley stopped using the forum!? Because someone said something a bit contentious?!

FFS, some people need thicker skin.

S

indeed.

That lot need to wake up and smell the coffee - and stop being so damn immature.

You know all this gayness makes me realise that my "mid life crisis" ( thanks dharling) is actually a lot more interesting that toy guns and bell ends.

What also rankles is the way Gadge holds me up as the bogeyman everytime he want to justify his insanity . Him pissing stubblehopper off , er that'll be Guys fault , him catching Aids ....yep probs my fault too ...him being a schitzo walt ...well you know ...put my hand up to that as well . When is he going to grow a set of balls and take responsibility for anything , starting with the pathetic excuse of a life he has ? Utter oxygen thief .

Just as well I'm not here much , the Welsh thing was a Josh inspired peice of crap which did need nipping in the bud, it was malicious , when it came to Dog Company I seem to recall being strongly in favour of forgive and forget in the name of unity .

Actually I don't know why I'm even bothered about his opinion ?....or Scaleynobs for that matter.

Fecking hell , got better things ot worry about .

Well, exactly. Gadge doesn't have a 'normal' life so things like airsoft/pbi/reenactment have an importance way out of proportion to a fun pastime. It becomes the meaning of his life (along with vanity publishing and forum adulation ).

Frankly, the fact that you stood up to Gadge and forced an issue (and so was the apparent bogey man) did us all a huge favour. I freely confess I avoid confrontation and can be hopelessly optimistic at times and wouldn't have had the guts to do it. It wasn't nice but I firmly believe CiA wouldn't have carried on a further two years with Gadge & Yith within. Hmm, not even two months!

Anyway, a mid-life crisis is inevitable - enjoy it. Characteristically, I got through mine by taking the easy & cheap option.

I'll take that as praise

It needed doing TBH , and it's not something I've regretted .

Frankly Gadge doesn't bother me that much , it's the lack of reponsibilty in him that just grates on me . Yiths just ....er ....socially inept ?

MLC is great . Sports cars , fast woman , jetski etc etc .

biguk showing his colours again.

Won't travel far for an event, but Gadge posts up a photo op (and thus a chance of being in AI) and he's buying new kit so he can be correctly kitted to drive north and have his picture taken.

But won't make the effort to change a badge!

What a brilliant thread! Anyway, I'd like to moan about Roy Bailey. What a cock stand! I went round his house once to buy a gun from him (which he'd owned for 3 days and waited 4 months for!) and I couldn't get away fast enough! He really gave my wife the creeps. Basically, a divorced bloke who was clearly taken to the cleaners by his ex! My garage is bigger than his house!

Anyway, I've just pm'ed him regarding the matter that whenever he sells something (which is very often!), he nearly always deletes the content of the thread and replaces it with "SOLD" or "WITHDRAWN". Not very helpful to other forum user IMHO.

Subject: SOLD

SOLD

Roy,

Would you please not delete the text from "for sale" threads? They are a handy reference for other sellers when considering prices. It's fine to add "SOLD" and then lock your own thread but to delete everything and just leave "SOLD" on it's own looks a bit daft.

By the way, the reason I'm asking you nicely to do this is in my new role as a moderator.

Cheers,

Pete.

Not too heavy handed or patronising? I've not really moderated anyone before, so any pointers are gratefully accepted.

Roy told me that he works in mental health. Some sort of self-help group I suspect.

Roy told me that he works in mental health. Some sort of self-help group I suspect.

He told me he was a teacher! What a cock chugger. Probably the most indecisive person I've ever come across! (and that's up against some really stiff competition from prison governors!).

BigUK's post: viewtopic.php?f=42&t=6891&p=143176#p143176

Having used my Assault vest for the first time at Op Epsom. I can safely say, its a fantastic piece of kit. I carried lunch , waterproofs, ammo, grenades and gas. As well as running with the 'I am a tool' sign strapped on the back.

It spreads my vast weight perfectly. I could hardly feel it on. During the Saturday, the heavens opened, and pissed on me for a good 4 hours. As mine was the more expensive ATF version 'cos I have more money than most of you running the BT web site despite having no computer or design skills (heh, I even had to get one of the lads to design me a web banner and pretended I did it), its extremely waterproof. I cant confirm what the SOF version is like. Removing it to eat lunch , meant for the third time I exposed a perfectly dry torso. and was promptly thrown off site. I still like Josh though.

I also have a ballsack, which im yet to use. But im sure the occasion will come, once I get to Thailand.