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 Yith
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cool... do you want to be the GIR BAR gunner? If you don't want to lug it around all the time I'm sure we can find you a helper...

And yes we'll keep the little extra secret for now.


 
Posted : 04/06/2009 11:42 am
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Secrets! Now I am all intrigued :wink:

And two helpers, apparently, assitant and ammo carrier.


 
Posted : 04/06/2009 12:20 pm
webby
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All the ammunition for the BAR gunner was in the soldier's ammo pouches, the gun was a lot less cumbersome than the bren.


 
Posted : 04/06/2009 12:49 pm
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That is what I thought, was that a field evolution which ditched the ammo carrier, or 'army doctrine'?

certainly makes more sense to have BAR and one chap, not two.


 
Posted : 04/06/2009 1:03 pm
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I wasn't aware of it ever being anything other, the BAR wasn't intended to be a support gun as the magazine was too small,... the Support guns of the time would have been Vickers and to a later extent the Browning .30cal, both of which required a crew to operate.


 
Posted : 04/06/2009 1:17 pm
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Hey it might easily be me misremembering the training manual. :?


 
Posted : 04/06/2009 1:22 pm
 Yith
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So... the BAR... is it a single man job then? No assistant?

How do we work that in to the "Rules" if it's just a single man tommy gun effectively?


 
Posted : 04/06/2009 1:25 pm
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There was definately at least an assistant.


 
Posted : 04/06/2009 1:31 pm
 Yith
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okies.... So run like we did with the Bren, but with the ammo split between gunner and assistant? Do the same with the .30cal?


 
Posted : 04/06/2009 1:32 pm
webby
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yeah BAR gunner was on his own, but usually there were 2 in a company who worked together. (Or so my infantry tactics book says)

BAR gunner could carry 12x 20 round magazines in the belt, however many more in a ammo bag or what-not.

I would suggest that the BAR be used as a section gun, fired in short bursts if used off ground.... long sustained bursts if depolyed on cover.


 
Posted : 04/06/2009 1:33 pm
webby
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If we're running the BARs like support guns for the game, I may as well bring mine and leave the .30cal at home


 
Posted : 04/06/2009 1:34 pm
 Yith
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Make yer fecking minds up you two!

BAR assistant or not?

I'd like to keep the .30 cal in the game if poss!

BARs should be run like BAR's... however that was done.


 
Posted : 04/06/2009 1:43 pm
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Why do people bring up these questions when I'm at work, and not when I am sat infront of a c@cking huge referance library? :roll: I had been looking at some orbats earlier but they are irritating to re-find on the internet... I will keep looking between customers.

The BAR did form the nucleus of a 'team' that had the primary responsibility of supressing the enemy to enable the rifles to close, but it was also able to be fired, as we all know, from the hip or shoulder - enabling such a 'team' to advance as agressivly as the regular riflemen.

BAR assistant or not?

Yes.


 
Posted : 04/06/2009 1:46 pm
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