SS FJ

did he tempt you with beer n bling

and tell us his war stories

If any of you guys need some FJ Y-straps, I have a pair (maybe 2) for sale... see the For Sale section.

looking forward to going into battle with you guys,thanks to major for the loan of the smock last sunday.

me to thanks for making us welcome

Always do to see new recuits, even if they are SS..

Looking forward to the next fight.

Seems FJ really is this years new black

Seems FJ really is this years new black

thought brown was the new black

Hi welsh sorry not answered for a while all we have done is brought a pea dot jump smock put SS coller titiles ,and SS chest eagle,and our m43 ski cap hope this helps

yep think that about covers it and you can use your ss belt buckle

Hi welsh as far as i know the splinter is fine, the pea dot smock was off short numbers (i think )so there was not many SS that had it we got it because pea dot is SS camo and it looks the dogs balls . cheers gaz

oh and its a arm eagle not a chest see ya on the friday (just look for 2 german motor bikes)

Seems FJ really is this years new black

As the saying goes.....'Please don't shoot the messanger because you don't like the message'...at least I have the balls to bring it out into the open.

What I have heard others say at the last skirmish I attended (not NOT from Gunman staff....other skirmishers: They claimed there is CiA anti-SS-ness.

I simply brought this to the forums attention......

Nothing more, nothing less.

I was not sure which part of the forum to post this to.....you decide.

It's not for me to judge what others say/feel. It's just good to hear what is being said behind doors sometimes......then you can do something about it.

Mod edit - Original post read as thus.....

Have you also noticed a growing trend in this direction?

Rumor has it that the SS are the new black for 2011. When at the last Gunman meet I went to, a few of the chaps that I skirmished with felt the same about CiA...?????? Not personally sure if it also had to do with the comment about NOT allowing some of the 'SS' chaps to join a skirmish 'as stragglers' even though SS were to be found in that very battlezone historically...or the fact that MP44's and pea dot uniforms seem to draw deprecating remarks....seems petty possibly and gives one a feeling one isn't very welcome .......or so I have heard chaps saying......maybe we all need to put our ears to the ground.
It was in such sharp contrast to Josh of Gunman .....all the chaps say they are there for a good skirmish and uniforms don't 'stigmatise' you or the event....all have fun dressing up and ......or so they say.....

Seems there are POSSIBLY two extremes to the SS saga....at one end you have chaps donning the prewar black political 'algemeine' SS uniforms sporting all the frowned upon regalia, etc. ....and we know what feelings come to the fore on this matter . The reason why don the dark side uniforms are manifold....but really all know its not the 'done thing'..........

But is it rumors only or does it seem we have the 'reverse' form of Apartheid too ......where there are those that 'claim to understand that the average reenactor-come-airsofter is only engaged in historically portraying the waffen-SS frontline soldier without political motivation or connection, blah, blah, blah.... BUT.. ....why do they have to portray the SS? Whats their motivation? Don't they realise that it is a sensitive issue and we may need a tissue...or two, etc etc etc ???????? Why don't they rather play little non discript wehrmacht 'good guys' ! ........then comes the ...Yes, yes, I know they only airsofters/reenactors...but.......moan and bee-itch and sulk......... (is this not part a 'political' victim mentality or .....fill in the missing sentiments.....)

Is it right that these chaps on both ends of the spectrum be allowed to slowly strangle a fantastic sport by bringing in their little personal opinions and sentiments spoiling it for the rest of us???

Strange that this debate does not rear its ugly head from both sides when it comes to playing the Russians whose 'naughty behavior' and other excesses politically and at times on the battlefield seemed to make the German ones pale in comparison?????? (Not that we will ever down play/ down size what truly happened in history by both sides).......

Why can't folk just play 'war' and enjoy blasting those chaps that wear the uniforms they don't like......should inspire them to kill off the 'evil maggots' with greater tenacity and passion!!!!! I know that works for me........

Well, put simply, CiA games are more tightly themed. Noone "deprecates" dot44 nor MP44's (we actively encourage them if the scenario fits!) but, if it's an early war scenario, they are totally out of place. No elitism, no exclusivity, just simple, historical fact. The very same applies to Denison smocks, US troops and a whole host of other things. It also applies to units, ie, no SS at Stalingrad, no US airborne at Dunkirk, no SAS in Berlin, etc. You should also note that we have a very inclusive "lookalike" system in place. So perhaps the people who are so quick to criticise should actually try playing a CiA game? After all, it's not just CiA that have a "tighter" ruleset, PBI, AGS, Sandbox, et al, also have tighter uniform and weapon rules, in order to try and immerse players into something. We spend hundreds of hours doing site recces and writing gameplans in order to achieve this. Of course, it's the mindset of the player which is most important. If someone just doesn't "get it" and just wants trigger time in fancy dress, then it's pointless them turning up.

We at CiA like to think that we've gone beyond just "dressing up" and having a blat. Anyone could do that at a hundred airsoft sites on any weekend of the year and not spend ages researching units, kit and history in order to improve their experience. Look at those who have successfully made the crossover to "conventional" reenacting for proof of those who have taken their interest a step further.

People's reasons for choosing to portray Waffen SS are their own. However, if anyone turned up at a CiA game in an Algemeine SS uniform, we'd have serious words with them, the same as if they wore the insignia of a death camp murder gang, dirlewanger, or any of those other units which have no place on a skirmish field.

Also, why the hell are you posting on this thread, quoting from almost 3 years ago, when CiA bashing is usually done in "general discussion"?

I concur with Sgt Heide's remarks there. You certainly have the wrong end of the stick there SSFrontSoldat.
Have a good read of our uniform requirements and scenarios rather than listen to airsofter's chit chat and you will see how inclusive we try to be.

There is NO CiA anti-SS-ness (hell, our next game features them) but we do try to be faithful to scenarios, as Pete has said. This is what marks CiA games from, say, Gunman's games (since you mention them) as there is a different ethos there. So, you see, players have a choice - whether you care about history or not there is a game suited for you.

Fundamentally though, your whole post is deeply flawed and mistaken and I'm not sure that you aren't attempting some "trolling" and mischief making? For the record there is no rift between Gunman and CiA and we regularly talk and correspond - and I'll have no truck with anyone trying to start a fictitious 'war'. We do things differently for sure and it is true to say we are aiming at different 'markets' but that is where it begins and ends.

I'v had to read your post a few times..and still don't no what your point truly is..or what your trying to stir up.
Your trying to fined monsters under your bed that don't exist..I portray Waffan SS and take it seriously.
How seriously do you take what you do HISTORICALY...
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When at the last Gunman meet I went to, a few of the chaps that I skirmished with felt the same about CiA...?????? Not personally sure if it also had to do with the comment about NOT allowing some of the 'SS' chaps to join a skirmish 'as stragglers' even though SS were to be found in that very battlezone historically...or the fact that MP44's and pea dot uniforms seem to draw deprecating remarks....seems petty possibly and gives one a feeling one isn't very welcome .

Firstly that comment was made in my game, the Mace, which is a personal event I run not 'affiliated' with CiA. The reason for not allowing SS stragglers was stated afterwards and is the same reason why US Third Army and Canadians are not allowed, despite being historically in the same battle zone.

I do not run a 'skirmish' at which people can 'join in', it is a themed game which requires players to immerse themselves in the scenario. Frankly kvetching about SS not being allowed, rather then thinking how they can fit with the units and scenario tells me they are unlikely to want to do this.

Yours,
peeved.

Thank you Mr Peeved - kvetching is my word of the day. I've never heard it nor come across it before and had to look it up!

I have been doing WWII airsoft for a number of years, and like many others in the same boat, I like a more tightly-themed event. There is certainly no W-SS bashing on this forum - there are a large number of CiA members (and organisers!) for whom W-SS is their primary kit, so please don't go you dare down that road, mate. My primary kit is Heer. There are no Heer allowed at the next CiA event, because that is the scenario, but I'm not moaning about it. If you actually did wish to attend a CiA, or PBI, or AGS or Wladek-organised event, you might be pleasantly surprised at how many people are willing to lend out full kit and weapons to total strangers.

The next AGS event is Brit infantry vs FJ and Heer, and for that I make no apologies. I have five Heer and FJ uniforms I'm willing to lend, free of charge. If that doesn't make you "feel welcome", then I'm not sure what would.