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Joker
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I'm trying to put together a (very) cheap, probably late(r)-war, German impression >

I have enough olive/green webbing and fixings to make reasonable looking tropical-type Y-straps - from various web sites it seems tropical Y-straps could be anything from Tan to Olive, with olive being not uncommon, and in 'general' use from mid-late war onwards.

I'm struggling with the belt, however. Despite having Y-straps, mag pouches, bread bags etc in olive, I can't find any reference to olive webbing belts, only tan - assumedly there were'nt any ??
I have quantities of 2" roll pin belt webbing, which I could sew up into a belt, ignoring the fact that it's the 'wrong' colour but am them struggling to find a suitable buckle; I have '37patt brasses, but these are slightly wide for the roll pin strap, which is 50mm (was previously looking at making a 'blancoed' '37 belt). I know that I could buy a 2-prong leather belt for £15-ish posted, or various black leather/DDR buckle combinations for less, but I am really trying to spend as little as possible - if I have something in the bits boxes that I can adapt then I'd prefer to do that.

I may never get chance to using any of the kit in a WW2 role (hence selling all my kit previously) but it would be nice to have something in the kit locker, that looked 'reasonable-ish', just in case .................. For ref., I'm trying to achieve the complete impression for less than £50, including weapon/mags

Thoughts/constructive criticisms/help would be appreciated ................... :good:


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Posted : 04/11/2009 10:55 am
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I'm struggling with the belt, however. Despite having Y-straps, mag pouches, bread bags etc in olive, I can't find any reference to olive webbing belts, only tan - assumedly there were'nt any ??

Hi,having recently spoken to Richard Underwood regarding "tropical" webbing, I can confirm that the belts were indeed olive colour. You could possibly colour the webbing you have ?

I know that I could buy a 2-prong leather belt for £15-ish posted, or various black leather/DDR buckle combinations for less, but I am really trying to spend as little as possible - if I have something in the bits boxes that I can adapt then I'd prefer to do that.

The buckle would have been the normal Heer buckle type. I can't suggest how you'd attach that.



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Posted : 04/11/2009 1:12 pm
imp1864
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dylon olive green dye sorts out tan webbing. :good:



 
Posted : 04/11/2009 1:14 pm
Joker
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I'm struggling with the belt, however. Despite having Y-straps, mag pouches, bread bags etc in olive, I can't find any reference to olive webbing belts, only tan - assumedly there were'nt any ??

Hi,having recently spoken to Richard Underwood regarding "tropical" webbing, I can confirm that the belts were indeed olive colour. You could possibly colour the webbing you have ?

Ahh, that's good news :good:

When I stated that the belt webbing was the 'wrong' colour that's due to it being olive, ie the wrong colour if the belt's were all tan, as I'd thought - if they were actually green, that's perfect. :happyclap:

Looks like the belt webbing is sorted then, just need to sort a buckle now .................. hmmm :?

The dylon works well - I've got a post-war bread bag, and a few other pouches, which I'm going to dye; even if they look 'washed out' that looks fine anyway.


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Posted : 04/11/2009 1:37 pm
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I think we need to address the shade of 'olive'. For german webbing it wasn't the same as say the US olive. It usually appears as a green tint to a base of tan. It's subtle. We are not really talking breadbag olive. Against an olive DAK tunic it would still look light.


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Posted : 04/11/2009 3:16 pm
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I think we need to address the shade of 'olive'. For german webbing it wasn't the same as say the US olive. It usually appears as a green tint to a base of tan. It's subtle. We are not really talking breadbag olive. Against an olive DAK tunic it would still look light.

Fair point - the webbing/strapping that I was hoping to use is a similar shade to the 'standard' repro breadbag / mag pouch green.

What colour is the webbing/belt in this pic (from Kompanie 14 website), tan or olive ? >

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Posted : 04/11/2009 3:46 pm
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He's Luftwaffe, not Heer. What impression are you doing?



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Posted : 04/11/2009 3:51 pm
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The belt looks like the standard repro DAK shade. It may be original, who can say from that pic? They did fade out.
Dunno about the Y straps, they look darker than anything I've seen before. I have very few bits of original German webbing, none are as dark as that. That doesn't mean there wasn't dark colour web. It's very obviously brown/olive as opposed to green/olive if you catch my drift.


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Posted : 04/11/2009 5:30 pm
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Steiner >

Depends on what I can put together for how little, tbh, but I'm probably edging towards FJ, as there's more leeway then as to colours and types of gear, and they were in/around various theatres.

I've got >

* Either Brit lightweights (with no side pocket so no date giveaway) or Belgian Moon & Ball trousers (1956 vintage so quite faded - Italian-esq ?), with post-war green/grey gaiters & cut-down assault/para boots.
* Blue, '60's uniform collared shirt (= lufty ?)
* Para style helmet, with leather chin strap
* Cheap M43-style camo cap (but will likely cover it with either grey or blue felt/cotton drill) OR possibly try to pick up a cheap post-war blue side cap if definately going for FJ.

* Looking at either a cheap camo smock (but re Gadge's 'too much camo thread' not sure on this one - couple of Sumpf smocks on e-bay currently but may not be big enough), possibly a cheap Swedish or DDR tunic, or a modified set of heavyweight Dutch coveralls, in a para smock style - cut the legs off & use spare material to sew 2x fake shoulder pocket flaps and make a green helmet cover). Biggest issue with clothing is that it needs to be 48"+ chest, and that then becomes expensive. I've even looked at buying a zelt and making a smock but Zelt's arn't cheap either !

Webbing - obviously not sure yet - I've got fabric from a '58 large pack to make mag pouches, and a post-war bread bag.

Weapon - I'm modifying a spare AK, to look more like a MP44, used with either standard or long '74 mags as the curve is nearer the correct item.

Poacher >

Yes, that makes sense (sadly :( )


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Posted : 04/11/2009 5:34 pm
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Get a splinter zelt and wear that, it covers 70% of your uniform and kit so details wont be so important. Good for Heer and Lufty and better than a smock.
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Posted : 04/11/2009 6:00 pm
Joker
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Using a Zelt is probably the best idea, likely to be most authentic and certainly worth looking at.

I noticed some Italian camo jackets on e-bay, which would probably work and weren't too badly priced, but again they're tight on size :(

I think I'm going to scrap the fabric belt idea, in favour of trying to find a cheap leather one, either as a 2-prong 'Officers' type or an EM version, with a DDR buckle.


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Posted : 05/11/2009 9:44 am
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