Panzergrenadier

Yep as Pete says it depends what rank you want to go for. NCOs would have tresse around the collar and shoulder boards but no arm insignia. Chevrons are only for gefreiter/obergefreiter. Have a look at bed's rank guide on the forum.

Ah the joys of sewing tress on your collars. Hours of fun.

If you wear NCO shoulder tresse, don't wear stripes on your sleeve. Stripes are only for low ranking NCO's and shoulder/collar tresse is for more senior NCO's. Confusing, isn't it?

You can say that again !!! No arm stripes then. Just the sleeve stripe to sort out.

Ah the joys of sewing tress on your collars. Hours of fun.

Yeah tresse sewing, the reason I stick to lower ranks!

No arm stripes then. Just the sleeve stripe to sort out.

They're the same thing. No stripes at all for NCOs.

Sorry i used the wrong termanolagy i ment cuff title.

Lehr had no cuff title, they were identifief by the L on their shoulder boards.

Cheers for that lard

Once the idea of the integrated Panzer Division took hold in the wehrmacht then the 'infantry' section of a Panzer Division were given the title Panzer Grenadier. They were not intended as foot soldiers, the idea was for them to be carried in Halftracks though most were mixed in halftracks and trucks. The 60th regt in the 116th had 2 companies in halftracks and two in trucks. As in all things late war the supply of halftracks and trucks seldom met demand. They wore the green waffenfarbe.

Dont get too hung up on the exact shade of green. Though there was an official name for the colour how it manifested on uniforms was another thing. Panzer Lehr often had a very vivid, almost acid green waffenfarbe, other surviving examples that can be shown to belong to Panzer grenadier units have a deeper shade.
You will hear people getting ruffled about the actual shade, what green was Gebirgs, which was Pzr Gren. The answer seems to be all of them. A chap called Imme did a lot of photo collecting of original insignia, using the regimental numbers to help identify which were Gebirgs and which were Pzr Gren. The conclusion I and others were forced to draw was that the colour used by both was green, many shades of green.

Several Pzr Gren regiments got an issue of the 'Stug Wrap'. The Lehr got some, the 116th got some as did GD.
Lehr also seem to get a good issue of splinter camo, especially helmet covers.
Smocks were issued for certain operations, you will see lots of pictures of 21st Pzr Div Grenadiers wearing smocks around D-Day. They were on maneuvers when the invasion happened and smocks had been issued for that.

I'm not sure the Motorised Infantry survived as a part of Panzer Divs, isnt that what Panzer Grenadiers do?
There were Motorised Infantry Divisions.

Some good info there Poacher! There’s some really good info coming from all you more experienced German players!

I carnt help but think that german insignias were a little all over the place as there is so many options!

So my final thoughts are these,

I’m going to drop the panzer lehr Idea, I’m going to go for straight forward Panzer grenadier.

My impression will consist of

Light Green NCO shoulder tresse (I’m also gona get light pink for early war panzer schutze)
Chest Eagle
Standard collar boards
Silver Tank destruction badge

IL probably pick up at splinter smock at some point as well.

I’m hoping this will fit in with the 125 Panzer grenadier regiment under Major Hans von Luck as these guys seemed to take part in a lot of the action

Can anyone say if I’ve got anything wrong please as I don’t want to spend money I don’t have to

Cheers

I'd say bin the Tank Destruction badge. Get an infantry assault badge in bronze instead.
TD badges are almost as overdone as gold wound badges and close combat awards.
Why do you want to be an NCO? Do you know what the duties and responsibilities of a WW2 German NCO are?

A note.
The SS didnt use the green waffenfarbe for grenadiers. White is correct for the SS.

I wanted to be a NCO because I’m a private in my other two impressions, plus it dosent really mater what thier dutys were does it? its only Airsoft.
I wanted the TD badge because I’m gona fabricate an airsoft panzerfaust at some point (already made a US bazooka) i do like the infantry assault badge though , and I’m not doing SS ether, they are just Heer arent they? or so iv read.

I’m gona fabricate an airsoft panzerfaust at some point

One for sale on here?
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and I’m not doing SS ether, they are just Heer arent they?

Who is just Heer? Panzer Grenadier?
The SS had Panzer Grenadier but they wore white waffenfarbe.

i Know the SS had panzer Grenadiers but I dont want to do an SS unit.

I know iv seen the one for sale and it looks really nice, but i can make one for cheepe at work. Im a fabricator so it will litarly will cost me penuts

I know iv seen the one for sale and it looks really nice,

The trigger group is a little large compared to an original but if I had the spare cash I'd have it.

Yea I must admit I had an itchy trigger finger when I saw it but I resisted, I also get quite a bit of enjoyment from fabricating something and then using it in a game

But back to the original topic, can you (or anyone else) see anythin wrong with the insignia? or am i good to go ahead with this Impression?

Input wecome from all

If you fancy the 21st pzr div and also want a smock, try to find one of the splinter '44 type?
That's the splinter A colours but printed with the sumpf screens. Some of the invasion period pictures of 21st show these smocks in use. There is one famous photo with the 21st escorting Brit airborne prisoners. Those smocks are splinter 44.
This is the pattern but cut into a parka;

think the most tank destruction badges i saw in a game on one persons arm was 3!

and he was FJ to boot!

mind you i wear a sily yellow top hat , so i cant throw stones in that greenhouse.

on my panzer uniform, (now my drinking uniform) i have obergefriter chevrons, iorn cross 2nd class and a armoured assault badge in bronze, not too much bling is better than overdoing it

or am i good to go ahead with this Impression?

I am sure it is fine. Perhaps the most important decision is ankle boots or jackboots!

Like Porta, I go light on the bling. All I have is a black wound badge (for all the scrapes, cuts, damaged knees etc from playing over the years).

Cheers
Martin

Well the only badge I want is the tank destruction badge ( silver) or the infantry assault badge (bronze) but I won't wear them together. It will be one or the other. I'm more concerns about shoulder boards being right etc.
Does anyone know if the 21st Panzer wore a cuff title? And would it of been worn by the PG ?

The 21st Pz had no cuff title. Grossdeutschland, Brandenburg and the Afrika Korp were really the only Heer unit cuff titles.