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But it's not an Airborne loadout......



 
Posted : 01/02/2009 11:06 pm
 Yith
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Gliders. I understand they had the infantry uniform. I even did find pics.

Right, I did wonder about the doughboy, shovel and stuff. Guess that's not glider then?

Its not a problem, I needed the stuff for Marauders anyway and can alter as needed.

So, what do I need to change?

 
Posted : 01/02/2009 11:10 pm
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Hmm... my kit seems to match the list here fairly well (apart from I've got a tommy gun and the already mentioned HBTs)

http://www.geocities.com/glidertroop325/uniform.html

 
Posted : 01/02/2009 11:33 pm
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I am just looking for some glider Infantry pics, and do hate it when people post pics on their site which are small. I had always thought they were equiped exactly like infantry including the doughboy, but that's not exactly based on research so...

U.S. Army Signal Corps Glider Infantry loading into a Waco for the D-Day behind-the-lines drops

325th Glidermen preparing to load into gliders prior to Normandy invasion.

TROOPS OF 325TH GLIDER INFANTRY MOVING THROUGH FOG TO A NEW POSITION

 
Posted : 01/02/2009 11:36 pm
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They were generally equiped with whatever the paratroopers had (ie. Musette bags, jump boots). They are part of the airborne divisions so aren't classed as general infantry.

 
Posted : 01/02/2009 11:40 pm
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I'm flicking through Howard, America's Finest (1994) and it does concur with us. Glider troops 'although attached to airborne regiments... were mainly eqiped with standard infantry materials.' All the pics seam to back this up and the kit list is just as the standard infantry.

Baring any secret knowlege or info anyone is holding back I think that Yith has hit it bang on the head, at least he better have done because that is what i am getting.

 
Posted : 01/02/2009 11:49 pm
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There's definitely plenty of pics with them wearing M41 jackets, leggings and roughouts.

See this page...

http://www.325glider.org/id10.html

Yes there are guys with more standard para stuff. But there as many with infantry stuff in those pics.

 
Posted : 01/02/2009 11:52 pm
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They were generally equiped with whatever the paratroopers had (ie. Musette bags, jump boots). They are part of the airborne divisions so aren't classed as general infantry.

Not the case at all I'm afraid mate.

Glider troops were equipped exactly as line infantry (anything else airborne is begged borrowed or stolen until m43 comes in for everyone). This was a major bone of contention with US glider troops who felt they had as risky a job but recieved less pay and were not allowed to wear jump boots or jump suits.

The officer in charge of the 82nd s glider troops tried to rectify this by saying any glider soldier completing a training jump was authorised to wear jump boots.... the officer in charge of the parachute element countered this by saying any of his paras who made a glider landing could go back to wearing shoes and leggings if they wanted :)

Only UK and German airborne equipped glider and para infantry identically.




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Posted : 02/02/2009 12:00 am
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Looks mint Yith, now get it dirty. Particularly the M41, they always look so wrong when they're not tinged with dirt.

Show me a man who will jump out of an airplane, and I'll show you a man who will fight!
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CRY HAVOC AND LET LOOSE THE DOGS OF WAR

 
Posted : 02/02/2009 12:06 am
 Yith
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I intend to get out and play in it as soon as I can...

Other than that though, any suggestions on improvements?

 
Posted : 02/02/2009 12:07 am
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Im not saying they didnt have general infantry gear. But from my research, the majority got hold of paratrooper equipment as it was a status symbol. They didnt like the idea of feeling second best.

Im not wrong in what i said, its my opinion gadge. Im not gonna start another witch hunt.

 
Posted : 02/02/2009 12:12 am
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Hence why there's a mix of kit in the photos I guess.

I just wanted to ensure I had the maximum flexibility in what I can do with this kit. As it is with a change of badge I can do all sorts of things. Heck with a few extra bits I can do a very accurate Merril's Marauders impression. I already have the Daisy Mae ready. I just need the knife and the extra water bottle they carried.

I might well get a Musette pack for the convenience it gives, the Doughboy pack isn't exactly the most convenient of items to have hanging off my back!

 
Posted : 02/02/2009 12:14 am
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I might well get a Musette pack for the convenience it gives, the Doughboy pack isn't exactly the most convenient of items to have hanging off my back!

Does look good though...

 
Posted : 02/02/2009 12:17 am
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oh yes...

 
Posted : 02/02/2009 12:17 am
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It may be your opinion but its clearly not what they were issued with and it was clearly unauthorised to wear jump boots or they wouldn't have put out an order allowing it if you did a jump would they?

I'm stating this on facts not opinion my sources are various period pics as already seen and the following publications:

US Army Airborne 1940 - 1990 Gordon Rottman ISBN 84-8372-516-9

and

The America soldier - Phillip Katcher ISBN 87654321

Among others.

If you can find me a print reference saying they were equipped as per parachute trained infantry or aquired it in the majority or as a matter of course I'd love to see it as it contradicts every other reference i can find for my forthcoming article on them.

It was pretty common for para trained infantry to kick the crap out of 'leg' types wearing airborne kit they were not authorised to wear.




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Posted : 02/02/2009 12:18 am
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What would you say is more comfortable to wear? Brit or US? obviously you've not field tested the US kit though. I feel at home in my Paratrooper gear.

I wasn't saying what they were issued with was i? The question Yith put to us was how does it look. To me a glider trooper has musette bag, and jump boots. To you it mean's something totally different.

 
Posted : 02/02/2009 12:19 am
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At the moment I'd have to say that its nice to wear cotton rather than wool. But then that's not really an issue when you get used to it.

Also so far the brit webbing is more practical. Those big pouches on the front are great for storing just about anything!

The US stuff is okay, but has lots of straps and clips and stuff, but it was easier to adjust to get straight.

I reckon its horses for courses at the moment.

 
Posted : 02/02/2009 12:21 am
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So the snazzier headwear tips it then? :whistle: :tongue:

 
Posted : 02/02/2009 12:22 am
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To me a glider trooper has musette bag, and jump boots. To you it mean's something totally different.

Yep and i'm just telling you thats not what they were issued with or allowed/supposed to wear.

You can argue with history all you like mate but its just how it was, sorry.

Glider troops were equipped as per line infantry.




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Posted : 02/02/2009 12:26 am
biguk
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To me a glider trooper has musette bag, and jump boots. To you it mean's something totally different.

Yep and i'm just telling you thats not what they were issued with or allowed/supposed to wear.

You can argue with history all you like mate but its just how it was, sorry.

Glider troops were equipped as per line infantry.

Well thanks for showing me the errors in my ways..I can sleep easier tonight.

Looks Good Yith, nice to see another person join us Yanks for a change..

 
Posted : 02/02/2009 12:32 am
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