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Was it used in WW2 and where? Wikipedia always redirects me to m1 carbine :?


 
Posted : 10/08/2008 9:07 pm
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Yes, it was definately used in WW2 - as featured in The Longest Day, The Eagle Has Landed and Kelly's Heros...


 
Posted : 10/08/2008 9:18 pm
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The M2 was tested in Combat towards the end of WW2 but was not issued in great numbers, I know they were used in the Pacific mostly.

The 15-round magazine proved to be of too small capacity for automatic fire though.



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Posted : 11/08/2008 7:30 am
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so they made 30 round mag.

thx for answers


 
Posted : 11/08/2008 10:15 am
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exactly but these were not issued before the end of the war and mainly saw service in Korea and in some even in Vietnam.

The M1 Carbines with bayonet lugs and the adjustable rear site also appeared around VE-Day in Europe.



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Posted : 11/08/2008 12:55 pm
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is it true that garand and m1 carbine used the same bullets?


 
Posted : 11/08/2008 6:50 pm
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Yep, they were both eventually designed to use the standard .30-06 Springfield round.

Also used in the BAR and .30 Cal (Obviously, AKA - M1919 Browning)




 
Posted : 11/08/2008 8:00 pm
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than why is garand alway "the best, the coolest, no1 in ww2, weapon that won ww2"?


 
Posted : 11/08/2008 8:50 pm
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Unsure, but educated guesses would be possibly because there were more produced in wartime (M1 Carbine was issued in '42) and that it was more accurate and had a longer range. Also very easy to carry a lot of rounds for it in the simple enbloc clip design....




 
Posted : 11/08/2008 9:09 pm
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I thought it used smaller calibre bullets and the magazine seems very small for long rifle rounds?


 
Posted : 11/08/2008 9:38 pm
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Heh, I thought the same Barrie! I've watched a reeancting group load up and they looked shorter than the Garand rounds (and were distictly quieter firing).

* checks Small Arms book - M1/2 carbine is indeed 7.62mm (0.3in) as the Garand but used a cartridge of power in between pistol and rifle, so not interchangeable with the Garand *


 
Posted : 11/08/2008 9:49 pm
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It's technically not a magazine but a sort of stripper clip really.

Here's how the .30's load into the enbloc:




 
Posted : 11/08/2008 9:51 pm
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The M1 Carbine round is definately smaller than the Garand .3, shorter with a snub head rather than pointed.
Carbine round on right:


 
Posted : 11/08/2008 9:59 pm
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Ah, beg your pardon.

Misinformed! The carbine used the .30 carbine which is smaller than the .30-06.

So yes, shorter and rounder, and probably less accurate and shorter range. Hence the Garand was preferred maybe.




 
Posted : 11/08/2008 10:00 pm
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The M1 carbine was much less powerful than the Garand. Its effective range was about 200yrds compared to the 800+ of the garand. The round nosed bullet and shorter barrel also made it much less accurate, although still far superior to the pistols it replaced.


 
Posted : 11/08/2008 10:07 pm
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Wow, I pretty much thought this was common knowledge with all WW2 Buffs :lol:

The only exception is my Carbine that's still registered on my Firearm License as a 30mm :rofl:
Need to call that police officer again to have it changed and bring my new baby garand around ;)


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Posted : 12/08/2008 3:04 pm
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We're airsofters....what would we know about real bullets?!?!




 
Posted : 12/08/2008 7:58 pm
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Point taken, though a lot of the guys I used to play with could tell all kinds of trivia about any real steel or airsoft weapon on the market.

The carbine's .30cal M1 rounds were quickly noted for their lack of accuracy over 150 meters, lack of penetration power of jungle vegetation and thick clothing.
On one occasion during the Battle of the Bulge a crew from an M8 fired their carbines at a retreating German soldier. it wasn't until an infantryman with an M1 Garand shot him that he collapsed. They found 10 bullet tips stuck in the German's winter coat.



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Posted : 13/08/2008 6:00 am
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Heard a story about a Marine using an M1 Carbine because it was lighter to carry. One day he went to take a piss and a Jap charged out of the bushes at him. He put 6 or 7 rounds in him before the guy fell over if I remember the story correctly. He promptly went and found himself a Garand after that.


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Posted : 20/08/2008 3:33 pm
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The carbine round is effectively a long pistol round, so its effectiveness is not surprising, especially around its stopping power. There's nothing like a full rifle round for ensuring your target goes down first time. I guess the carbines had their uses (operating from vehicles and FISH), but I'd have gone with the Garand anytime. Its just a pity its 'internal mag' couldn't be topped up quickly.


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Posted : 20/08/2008 3:47 pm
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