Eh I'm not apposed to it and I don't see anyone blatently saying on this thread with a tanaka that they wouldn't so not sure where you're coming from with that nige. I know I did not take mine out on Sunday (which I could have) on the grounds its too "hot" in formidible weather and the MP40 was more appropriate. I thought I was doing the right thing being the restrictor, shame common sense doesn't prevail both ways .... its rather a mute discussion if its "only" about the tanaka.
To balance things, I know of one forum member that has in the past openly admitted his allied weapon fires on hot days over 600fps. I've been on the "wrong" side of two bolt actions and had the wounds to prove it (both allied weapons) that were definately not tanakas, one of those was the piss artist formerly known as RhysD 
the other was an un-known person on Sunday. Back to husky though ironically that day he had a matching one from a tanaka, the odd thing was he was the one making all the fuss, I took my pounding from one shot from him and said nothing 
oh no I did to Rhys (politely I may add) and the answer I got was its not a tanaka. At the husky game, there was an offer to have the bolt actions chrono'd, there was ONE allied player volunteered to do so, all the german players did, to the point Che used our MP40 and I borrowed CW's M14. Why was that then 
damn did we do that self restricting again 
Whislt I fully appreciate where the "posting" started, this has rapidly turned into a we don't like tanakas.
my point exactly...... there has been no oposition from the allied side... its only the tanaka owning germans who seem opposed to it. i wonder why?
How weird Nige. What Tanaka owners are opposing this new PBI ruling? You were happily using a high fps No4 gun on Sunday! Anne was happily using a lower powered M14 on single shot. Yith was happily using a low powered boltie. I was happily using an AEG that couldn't shoot further than 20ft. Carl was happily using a high powered boltie. Che was happily using a pistol. Fantastic mix that contributed a great deal of interest to the game.
Plus can't help but feel if we would be discussing this at all if it were a Tanaka No4 SMLE
I was next to Ranj when he was shot by a Tanaka on Sunday at close range and that was a shock for me as much as him. It was definitely an accident and I hold no blame at all on anyone. a
It was a shock also for the "other" player involved as he had no idea Ranj was in the vacinity and was aiming further uphill. Definately an accident and in that instance I don't think its fair to drag that onto the forum. He feels guilty enough without this being added in for all and sundry to have a pop.
Whislt I fully appreciate where the "posting" started, this has rapidly turned into a we don't like tanakas.
Which is a bit silly, as even though i don't have one (yet!), i fail to see how anyone can not like them, they are truly awesome guns.
I think the simple option is to allow anyone any power of gun within the existing rules, but to chrono *everything* on the day. anything over 350fps has an MED, anything under, doesn't, and make ALL players aware that some rifles won't have an MED.
Arguing over the semantics of it all, is just pissing into the wind, and utterly pointless.
i dont think anyone has said the present system doesnt work, from my angle, a sub 350 rifle gives more chance of flexible play. one day, both sides may have single shot rifles that are perfectly matched in power and accuracy, so any chance of getting in amongst the enemy to take an objective will be by everyone slinging there rifle and drawing a pistol.
i like the idea of being able to use a rifle for all aspects. it has been said that proper infantry rifle squad structure is a future target. its not going to be workable unless its on a level playing field , with ALL rifles putting out the same power ( ideally for general all round use, sub 350)
wether we like it or not, the MED for high power rifles does get broken, sometimes by accident, sometimes not.
if rifles are massively dissadvantaged by smg's, then you send in a couple more riflemen, or alter your tactics to over come the problem.
Dave... You misunderstand me. I never suggested that we force people to do anything. You know I don't think that is way ahead at all.
Now, if PBI are to place fps restrictions on players and have everyone as sub 350fps 'riflemen' and a couple of 'sniper' that's cool and best of luck but can't say that its a level playing field or its authentic.
I agree on the level playing field statement. But that has never been the aim of this hobby for me. For me the immersion is the most important thing. That means that if I'm in a rifle section with 1 bren, 1 sten and 8 rifles and we are slaughtered by a SS platoon armed authentically with MG42s and MP44s (or whatever) that is fine. We will work around the mismatch in weapon capabilities in some tactical way next time.
However the mere fact that every rifleman has a pistol on their person is inauthentic. It didn't happen, period. It also didn't happen that they couldn't shoot at enemy under 25m away, so that is inauthentic.
It will make accidents less likely to happen of course.
That is merely a side effect of the proposition and not the aim of this at all. The aim is more authentic play.
By teeth can be lost and skin broken with any power of gun.
As I do know to the cost of a £700 dentist bill.
I think the simple option is to allow anyone any power of gun within the existing rules, but to chrono *everything* on the day. anything over 350fps has an MED, anything under, doesn't, and make ALL players aware that some rifles won't have an MED.
Safety wasn't part of Yith's argument but was to do with airsoft gameplay and authenticity.
Plus can't help but feel if we would be discussing this at all if it were a Tanaka No4 SMLE
I was next to Ranj when he was shot by a Tanaka on Sunday at close range and that was a shock for me as much as him. It was definitely an accident and I hold no blame at all on anyone. a
It was a shock also for the "other" player involved as he had no idea Ranj was in the vacinity and was aiming further uphill. Definately an accident and in that instance I don't think its fair to drag that onto the forum. He feels guilty enough without this being added in for all and sundry to have a pop.
Yes and I didn't want to mention it... I really didn't. When I did I didn't blame him at all. It was purely used as an example.
It was Guy's comment just before hand drew that out the comment... It wasn't even a consideration when I started this thread.
my point exactly...... there has been no oposition from the allied side... its only the tanaka owning germans who seem opposed to it. i wonder why?
How weird Nige. What Tanaka owners are opposing this new PBI ruling? You were happily using a high fps No4 gun on Sunday! Anne was happily using a lower powered M14 on single shot. Yith was happily using a low powered boltie. I was happily using an AEG that couldn't shoot further than 20ft. Carl was happily using a high powered boltie. Che was happily using a pistol. Fantastic mix that contributed a great deal of interest to the game.
read my first post on this thread dave.... it was its first time out of the box, and the first problem i encountered was that i had to hold back , or on two seperate occations, run away to get a safe engagement range, if it had been at 340, i wood have been able to just shoot the bugger and carry on.
my point exactly...... there has been no oposition from the allied side... its only the tanaka owning germans who seem opposed to it. i wonder why?
Haven't we heard all this before, ref the mp44's the high fps,high cap mags, everyman and his dog having one etc..etc...etc...all very negative, it was the first time i have used my k98 in game all day, and i am very happy with it, and not in a sniper roll just because of its higher fps. I only used the iron sights which were still affective(which both B&A can testify to being on the receiving end.sorry:evil:) but i did resort to the Luger at MED not only as its the rules but out of respect for other players,its swings and roundabouts i have a slight advantage at distance you have it at closer range, whats the problem. 
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What Tanaka owners are opposing this new PBI ruling?
This has never been proposed as a new PBI ruling. This thread was merely started because I had a bit of a revelation on the way to play the game and wanted to share it and see what other people thought.
Whislt I fully appreciate where the "posting" started, this has rapidly turned into a we don't like tanakas.
Yes it does seem to be going that way, that was never my intention and I hope people realise it.
this isnt a tanaka attack. its a question of,would you run your bolt action at sub 350 to get an more authentic game feel. and the concensus seems to be, allied, mostly yes, axis mostly no. go figure..........my new enfield chronoed at 408-413 and after using it once, i am prepared to down grade it to the power of a thompson.
However the mere fact that every rifleman has a pistol on their person is inauthentic. It didn't happen, period. It also didn't happen that they couldn't shoot at enemy under 25m away, so that is inauthentic.
Then don't take a pistol - you are not forced to. 'Authentic' now. Hell, some people didn't even need a firearm on Sunday!
Remember - +350fps is a concession to be taken advantage of if you wish. If you don't no worries, events work just as well without.
this isnt a tanaka attack. its a question of,would you run your bolt action at sub 350 to get an more authentic game feel. and the concensus seems to be, allied, mostly yes, axis mostly no. go figure..........my new enfield chronoed at 408-413 and after using it once, i am prepared to down grade it to the power of a thompson.
That word again.........."authentic". Since when is it "authentic" that a No 4 only has the same range as a Thompson? This one can be argued till the cows come home - and no side to it is either right, or wrong!
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this isnt a tanaka attack. its a question of,would you run your bolt action at sub 350 to get an more authentic game feel. and the concensus seems to be, allied, mostly yes, axis mostly no. go figure..........
Are you sure that right Nige? Hehe, I swing all ways (as do several posters) and I have neither agreed nor disagreed but have rejected the proposal as flawed thinking. I'm not disputing Yith had a great time with his sub-350 fps SMLE on Sunday - but then he has had a great time with post-350 fps bolties at many previous games.
well, i think then, i will buy a tanaka, upgade it to the bollox and use it as a captured weapon 
Oh, and just to re-iterate, this is nothing to do with PBI, policy or anything past, present or future, just Rich's opinion.
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In the absence of rubbish floppy rubber bayonets, I think we should all be able to call a bayonet kill just with a (feigned) rifle jab.
Barry I think made one of the best points in the thread with this comment above. Rifles in the attack would have bayonets. Once you are inside the MED you are close to the enemy. The tactics of the armies would be then to close with the enemy and kill them. We already have knife kills in the rules this is just a variation of it. If you are overun by some horrible Scotsman waving his tackle or a Landser charges in and takes you in the rear take the hit.
In defence looking at what the troops tried to do to break up assaults gives us the solution to what to do when your attacker is inside your MED. Use grenades thrown in front of your position and take cover.
this isnt a tanaka attack. its a question of,would you run your bolt action at sub 350 to get an more authentic game feel. and the concensus seems to be, allied, mostly yes, axis mostly no. go figure...........
How can you downgrade a Tanaka to sub 350 ?? The point is that a springer will do whatever you set it up to do, come rain or shine. Even with 134a, you couldn't get a Tanaka to be guaranteed anywhere near that - so it's a pointless comparison.
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