Camo... do we over do it?

Its just a carry over from the modern airsoft mentality; must have camo to hide.

But also must have a black tac vest to be uber-leet.

Its just a carry over from the modern airsoft mentality; must have camo to hide.

have you looked at your own avatar lately........

sorry, didnt list the items.

Splinter Smock £29
OD Trousers for HBT look alike £10
Gaitors £5 tops
Repro helmit £40

If you can kit someone out in Field greys for less than that, then you is da man!

SS is a different kettle of fish and I was a silly billy for not excluding them in my post. Also I think we should get over the 'Silly modern airsofter' attitude because MOST of us started there and it still offers some amazing experiences, I don't think its a modern airsoft mentality that makes guys want camo, but its cost and availablity for the odd game. Remember not everyone that has joined the scene is as dedicated to the one theme as others and peeps have only so much dosh. I think what CIA and PBI have achieved is amazing and is a standard for all to aim for, especialy if their in this for the long hall but not for the guys that want to just try it out.

In answer to the topic - Camo...do we over do it, the pics from said organisers events show units all dressed in similar kit and dressed as closely as poss to the senario so from an outsides point of view I think you have it down to T, camo if it was worn and not if not.

So NO I think you guys already do it right

Its just a carry over from the modern airsoft mentality; must have camo to hide.

have you looked at your own avatar lately........

Must have camo to hide ??? Isn't that the idea

have you looked at your own avatar lately....

I didn't say I was never one of them. I really do need to get a new picture though.....

Must have camo to hide ??? Isn't that the idea

Well no. Camouflage clothing is an aid, not an essential. The ways some camo discussions go on other forums you could be forgiven for thinking otherwise though.

Splinter Smock £29
OD Trousers for HBT look alike £10
Gaitors £5 tops
Repro helmet £40

If you can kit someone out in Field greys for less than that, then you is da man!

If you use an M43 cap instead of a helmet you can go fieldgrey with gaiter for about £95, so not cheaper but close enough to consider. It would be cheaper were it not for the poor exchange rate on the £.

sorry, didnt list the items.

Splinter Smock £29
OD Trousers for HBT look alike £10
Gaitors £5 tops
Repro helmit £40

If you can kit someone out in Field greys for less than that, then you is da man!

Without going for originals/repros from a specialist?

Those Grey Swedish Woolen jackets that are currently on the surplus market could be worth a try, I've seen some in army surplus stores online for as little as £30.

Also, a good point to remember is that some of the so called 'greys' were more a bottle green which opens up other options with tunic/jackets (apparently due to artificial fibers in economy wool mixes later in the war, anyone confirm either way?).

The trousers can be a 'generic non-descript" grey.

I didn't say I was never one of them. I really do need to get a new picture though.....

I didn't say i was never one of them - one of who ? Its a shame when you start getting groups with in groups..with labels them and us.Just US works a lot better.

Well no. Camouflage clothing is an aid, not an essential.

Now surely.. that must just be your opinion.Camouflage clothing is an aid,not an essential I would say yes to that..but what period..Heer or SS..20 or so players doing SS in Normandy in field grey's would look naff..

Splinter Smock £29
OD Trousers for HBT look alike £10
Gaitors £5 tops
Repro helmet £40

If you can kit someone out in Field greys for less than that, then you is da man!

(If you use an M43 cap instead of a helmet you can go fieldgrey with gaiter for about £95, so not cheaper but close enough to consider. It would be cheaper were it not for the poor exchange rate on the £.)

Surely the helmet would be the better choice..why restrict yourself with a M43 cap..Early war games 20 or so players in field greys and M43 caps.a double naff naff.

One of the people who thought camo was a necessity to be able to conceal yourself properly. As in any sense, ww2, modern, paintball, hide and seek...nothing to do with any kind of groups, impressions or even ww2.

Now surely.. that must just be your opinion.Camouflage clothing is an aid,not an essential I would say yes to that..but what period..Heer or SS..20 or so players doing SS in Normandy in field grey's would look naff..

I was talking about in general in response to your own point. It helps you hide but isn't needed. Again nothing to do with any impressions or ww2.

Surely the helmet would be the better choice..why restrict yourself with a M43 cap..Early war games 20 or so players in field greys and M43 caps.a double naff naff.

You can't do early war with a splinter smock and gaiters either. An M34 or 40 (for SS) cap would make it ok for 41 onwards though and cost the same. If we're talking about accuracy not cost (as Josh was) full field greys is more accurate than a smock and look a like trousers but that wasn't the point.

I've been reading this thread with interest. Nice to see it's gone for 8 pages without wandering off topic too much and good to see so many different opinions so well put.

My own take on it is this, I think if the period of the war being played out suits the wearing of camouflage items, then crack on. I thought it was great that, at Operation Ariel, everyone got behind the idea that a "no camo" event could also be held and yet, be fun and immersive. Conversely, seeing the Waffen SS decked out in lots of different camo patterns at Autumn Mist was equally good.

Historically, some armies (mostly allied) didn't really grasp the concept of camouflage uniforms on a large scale during the war anyway. The Germans issued it on a much wider scale. For many, woolen uniforms are simply too hot. Some, like me, have a wool allergy. So, it's far more comfortable to wear a cotton garment instead and camouflage items provide that degree of comfort.

One of the people who thought camo was a necessity to be able to conceal yourself properly. As in any sense, ww2, modern, paintball, hide and seek...nothing to do with any kind of groups, impressions or even ww2.

Now surely.. that must just be your opinion.Camouflage clothing is an aid,not an essential I would say yes to that..but what period..Heer or SS..20 or so players doing SS in Normandy in field grey's would look naff..

I was talking about in general in response to your own point. It helps you hide but isn't needed. Again nothing to do with any impressions or ww2.

Surely the helmet would be the better choice..why restrict yourself with a M43 cap..Early war games 20 or so players in field greys and M43 caps.a double naff naff.

You can't do early war with a splinter smock and gaiters either. An M34 or 40 (for SS) cap would make it ok for 41 onwards though and cost the same. If we're talking about accuracy not cost (as Josh was) full field greys is more accurate than a smock and look a like trousers but that wasn't the point.

Havent got a clue what your rambling on about..You can't do early war with splinter smock and gaiters either Blah Blah Blah..your post was Quote..if you use a M43 cap instead of a helmet you can go fieldgrey for £95.My reply..surely the helmet would be the better choice why restrict yourself with a M43 cap??????
Quote..I was talking about in generral in response to your own point.It helps you hide but isn't needed.Agine nothing to do with any impressions or ww2...(That was'ent a response to my question)..Quote Its just a carry over from the modern airsoft mentality;must have camo to hide??????????
My reply..Isn't that the idea...Your reply..Well no.

To be honest, this has got so rambling and a mishmash of quotes I haven't the faintest idea what anyone is talking about!

Erm, let me see - camo is cool, camo helps you hide, camo isn't appropriate for some events where there is a dress code, otherwise if you have it - wear it. It can cover a multitude of sins, keep you dryish, make you completely invisible, attracts women and can help build a cheap loadout. Anything else?

It attracts women? Cool, but what if they can't see you? AHRRGGG the confusion is too much, must lie down.

Anything else?

Food and beer stains don't show on it.

It attracts women? Cool, but what if they can't see you? :

You have to keep moving... (but not in a dirty-old-man-in-a-mac way - strutting works well though, goose-stepping doesn't)

Havent got a clue what your rambling on about..You can't do early war with splinter smock and gaiters either Blah Blah Blah..your post was Quote..if you use a M43 cap instead of a helmet you can go fieldgrey for £95.My reply..surely the helmet would be the better choice why restrict yourself with a M43 cap??????

I started off responding to Josh saying that if you can kit someone out in wools cheaper than a smock, ODs and helmet then he'd like to know. I said it was almost possible if you had a cap instead of a helmet (£15 vs £40). You said a cap would be more restrictive than a helmet and it would look naff to have an early war game with people in M43s. My point was it is no more naff to have people in M43s early war than in splinter smocks and gaiters which you'd have to buy to keep under the theorical budget Josh suggested.

As for the rest; I'm lost too. I was talking about how 'modern' airsofters often think camouflage clothing was an essential piece of kit if you needed to conceal yourself properly and how some carry that perception over to WW2. Keith pointed out my aviatar in which I'm wearing a smock and helmet cover and I agreed that yes, I used to be one of them. Beyond that you seem to be arguing that camouflage clothing is essential for certain impressions which wasn't what I was talking about and you kinda lost me.

so camo or no camo for me camo was invented to make you harder to be seen hence why they still use it today, i for one prefer the mix of greys and camo but hey iam easily pleased.

Yep for SS I think a greys & camo mix looks excellent.

Hey don't forget the Heer - Steiner loves his Splinter Zelt, early grey trousers and jackboots

Splinter zelt, feldgrau and jackboots is a classic look, but the splinter smock is a godsend in the summer.