Fire and Ice - Fins vs Russians

Talvisota the subtitled 1989 Finnish film about the Winter War is worth a watch on this subject . Ebay it .
Finns vs Russians though and you'd need lots of snow and forest .

Oh, yes. Winter War is a good Finnish war film, surprisingly, as I'm a Finnish, I have seen it since -89 maybe twenty times.
1939-40 was really cold and snowy winter.
There's also couple versions of Fin-Rus-Continuation war(1941-44) film based on most famous finnish war novel with same name, called The Unknown Soldier(Tuntematon sotilas) by V. Linna, 1955-version and 1985-version. Older version is black and white, newer is color film. I believe that if someone is interested, he could find both versions from Amazon.com.

Same people who made Talvisota are bringing another film out about the continuation war apparently !
Sorry for the small thread hi jack , however it's a great film , esp as it's made by a complete "outside" country as far as most of of WW2 was concerned, it gives a fascinating veiw rather than the standard German/ American Holywood /Pinewood studios ...and they kicked Russian butt.

I was astonished at the quality of the documentry and if there are a few movies out, thats probably the footage they used.

Will try and find them to watch. looked awesome

SOmething outside the usual box of US/Brit vs German would be terrific! Unfortunately I couldnt get to the Bryansk game

What makes it achievable is the ammount of kit I can get for the free rental. Jackets, helmit, ski suits and so on. Hope this Eastern front campaign gets the same support as the D-Day stuff, like you say webby, would be wicked to see more variety of battles in the ww2 scene.

I think you could get a lot of interest for the Russians Josh, there's a lot of us with kit waiting for a chance to use it and there's already plenty of Germans. I know I've disagreed with your "all comers" style for the "D-Day" series of games but I'd definitely be up for some eastern front gaming, especially if it follows the road to Moscow, Leningrad, Stalingrad, Kharkov, Seelow Heights and Berlin, to name but a few pivotal battles.

If you think about it, it's a MUCH longer campaign than the post D-Day one and with a lot more scope kitwise and allows both sides to be on the defensive AND offensive at some point as the war unfolds. The only real exclusion kitwise that I can think of is that the Waffen SS weren't at Stalingrad.

Gets you away from all the games which have been played over and over to death, also gives the opportunity to have the Germans on the front foot *historically* for a change, and then folding inwards like a flan in a cupboard from 42 onwards! hehe

The Eastern front is the way forward- the massive scale of the campaign gives you endless options in terms of scernarios, terrain and timescale. Plus you don't have to worry so much about the wrong units being in the wrong battle, especially for the Russians since they all dressed the same which is a big plus point for me.

Gets you away from all the games which have been played over and over to death, also gives the opportunity to have the Germans on the front foot *historically* for a change, and then folding inwards like a flan in a cupboard from 42 onwards!

Well the notable thing about the eastern front is its seesaw nature of offensive and counteroffensive. Even when each side was on the backfoot they still lauched offensives to try and gain the upper hand. So its even possible to have a game based on a German offensive as late a March 1945 or even later if based on smaller local counter attacks.

Well the notable thing about the eastern front is its seesaw nature of offensive and counteroffensive. Even when each side was on the backfoot they still lauched offensives to try and gain the upper hand. So its even possible to have a game based on a German offensive as late a March 1945 or even later if based on smaller local counter attacks.

Good all round game for all involved then! Sounds like a plan stan!

I think you could get a lot of interest for the Russians Josh, there's a lot of us with kit waiting for a chance to use it and there's already plenty of Germans. I know I've disagreed with your "all comers" style for the "D-Day" series of games but I'd definitely be up for some eastern front gaming, especially if it follows the road to Moscow, Leningrad, Stalingrad, Kharkov, Seelow Heights and Berlin, to name but a few pivotal battles.

If you think about it, it's a MUCH longer campaign than the post D-Day one and with a lot more scope kitwise and allows both sides to be on the defensive AND offensive at some point as the war unfolds. The only real exclusion kitwise that I can think of is that the Waffen SS weren't at Stalingrad.

Im all about the visual on this matey, D-Day WAS a joint effort by the allies and to make sure we get the numbers for epic battles I have had to be as inclusive as poss. Saying that, I won't allow Russian impresions at those battles.

There are some cracking movies and documentries for the eastern front, The fire and Ice doc being one of them, to help get the feel and drama for the battles. I also agree its about time the german players get on the offensive;)

Sounds good, josh. Dont suppose you need a crack team of US paratroopers ,dropped into these games do you?

I might be pursuaded to go zaitsev for this

Sounds good, josh. Dont suppose you need a crack team of US paratroopers ,dropped into these games do you?

I might be pursuaded to go zaitsev for this

lol, sadly bud it will be pure eastern front, saying that some of the US kit you have will be fine for russians to use as the US sent piles of kit in aid to russia....lol which they never paid for;)
But I want to keep this in the same vein as D-Day US and Brits vs Germans.

But it wouldn't have been paratrooper kit though?

lol, sadly bud it will be pure eastern front, saying that some of the US kit you have will be fine for russians to use as the US sent piles of kit in aid to russia....lol which they never paid for;)

Actually the Russians didn't recieve much personally kit via lend lease. The only kit they recieved large numbers of were boots, any other kit was just that which was supplied with vehicles and was rarely used.

Hmmm yes I guess most US webbing for instance is very much tied to specific weapons or is shite... (in the case of haversacks... cool looking, but rubbish)

The clothing would be useless in the Russian Weather. It was pretty useless in the ETO.

The Thompsons supplied in the Shermans wouldn't be used as they wouldn't have the ammo available to support them... etc... etc...

Vehicles however run on much the same fuels... heh. spares can be scavenged from other vehicles...

I guess the boots the russians used wouldn't be Corocorans, probably not roughouts either... service boots maybe?

Wellies? hehe

Well the kit sent was often obsolete so there is no chance they would be coroccans, more likely roughouts, along with Brit boots- which were hated as they had hobnails (as the Germans learnt hobnails + Russian winter is not a good combo).

http://www.theeasternfront.co.uk/lendlease.htm

This gives a nice little breakdown of what was sent at the bottom.

I'll look at getting some Russian stuff. Could always do the partisan Look. That way i can use jerry weapons!