Apologies if this is in the wrong section and feel free to move it (admin)...
There's a bunch of players, myself included who were discussing WW2 airsofting at an open game last weekend. The universal feedback was that (a) getting the whole weekend off was a pain in the rear and (b) numbers for many of the games were very limited anyway.
I'd always assumed that the games were two day affairs but checking it out on this forum, it seems that most start late a.m. on Saturday and end by Sunday lunchctime. So in response to point (a), why don't you guys do more games like 21/9/08? I know that camping out and sinking a few adds to the atmosphere but this could still happen with a game that ended on Satuday p.m. when it got dark...
On point (b), when I play at open days, there are regularly over 100 players and in fact I don't think I have ever played at an open site with a 50 player restriction. So (straight question) why is this? I always end up chatting to site owners about my WW2 kit and the response is 'We really must do a WW2 theme day' and many more people could be involved. The last couple I chatted to were even happy with the FilmSim / lo and mid caps idea.
It just seems that we're not really encouraging people to get into WW2 Airsoft because it's being seen as a bit of an exclusive club - opinions please?
For my own part, I'm going to try and get a WW2 game sorted at my local site (Fireball) this year. Watch this space.
On point (b), when I play at open days, there are regularly over 100 players and in fact I don't think I have ever played at an open site with a 50 player restriction. So (straight question) why is this?
i think it's mainly due to a need to keep the sides regulated. With an open day you can separate sides by coloured armbands or whatever, regardless of kit, but with ww2, you have axis, and allied, and they're fixed sides.
If we ended up doing a ww2 'open day' and 75 axis and 25 allied turned up to the game on the morning, it wouldn't be much fun for either side. So, as with Husky, the sides are limited until both sides fill up evenly, then more places are released equally on each side.
There's also quite an interest in ww2 airsoft, but there's still not the 'critical mass' of players out there yet prepared to drop the multicam and join in, and so warrant organising larger games on a regular basis. One of my friends is a prime example, loves airsoft, tried ww2, but without masses of full-auto and hicaps, he didn't enjoy it as much as 'regular' airsoft, so won't be doing it again.
Having just organised a WW2 game myself, here is my input:
(a) I decided upon a "weekender" format because I felt it enabled people to travel to and from the site in daylight. Maybe it's just me, but I have real problems driving in the dark - I find it an incredible strain, and also find it very difficult to concentrate for long periods of time. I have therefore found the weekend format easier from that point-of-view.
(b) We had no numbers restriction at all, and we had just over 40 people attend, almost half of whom were first-timers. Whilst there may be more than double that number of people in the country who regularly play WW2 airsoft, you are only ever going to get a certain percentage who can / want to attend.
I very much look forward to any WW2 event, so keep us all informed!
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Agreed, Many of the people I spoke to were interested in the kit but the lack of weaponry put them off and many didn't wish to spend out on new kit. I did explain the counts as rule and told them to look our site. The simple fact is modern kit is so much easier to get. The funny thing is my moder kit probably cost me as much if not more than my WW2 gear. A mate of mine wants to get into it. he has a great coat and a few other bits, but still compares himself to me. This is despit being told we are not an exclusive club and welcome every on with an interest in WW2 airsofting. These things take time to gather a strong base. So keep spreading the word attend open days in WW2 kit and hopefully we'll take over the world
Topic moved from Weapons to General WW2 Discussion.
I'll post my thoughts later - when I dont have to put up with the Nazi-ware we have on the work computers
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I will, however, say one thing now. WW2 Airsoft is as much about the mindset of the players as it is about the kit, and sad to say, the average sunday player isn't interested in tactics, fieldcraft or chain of command (noted from experience of having played at 25+ different sites, and 12+ years of skirmishing)
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Open days...cud be difficult,i guess the site would have to supply some form of count as kit, and restrict certain weapons. 1 day events with prior warning could work, though.
I dont really understand why people struggle to get over the use of Hi-caps. I much prefer using mid caps or Lo-caps. Half the fun is having to load out your mag.
I dont really understand why people struggle to get over the use of Hi-caps. I much prefer using mid caps or Lo-caps. Half the fun is having to load out your mag.
Same here mate - once I had experienced ammo restrictions, I realised how much better the gameplay was.
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Same here mate - once I had experienced ammo restrictions, I realised how much better the gameplay was.
How much cheaper, too.
Speaking as someone who has never organised an event and therefore can't really comment, I would comment as follows.
1. There's a lot more effort involved in putting on a planned event than an open day.
2. There's still only a limited number of players interested.
3. There's a lot more effort involved from the players turning up from every corner of the country than to a local open day.
Consequently, it just isn't practical to be running these things every other week or whatever.
i tried to get a ww2 " team " forum running on phoenix, i think i got 3 replies.
I prefer 24hr games as it means I dont have to travel all that way just for a short stint, it makes it more of an event.
Part of the main reason we organise over weekends is because people are travelling such distances to get to the site. Some from Scotland or Cornwall.
We put limits on numbers because we'd rather organise quality games that we can effectively manage and not oversell and risk diluting the event.
We don't want to start creating what are effectively WW2 open days because that's why we started doing this in the first place, we were sick of the quality of play at open days.
Finally we organised two games in the last 12 months which were both 1 day affairs (Wotan and Eagle has Landed) but with optional socials attached to the evening before, and we have another in the pipeline planned for Autumn. (Watch THIS space) Essentially the plan is to organise two weekenders and two one-day (CiA Lite) games per year.
I organised two WW2 events at Fireball a few years ago which didn't have kit or weapon restrictions. Each had around 100 players, and on Fireball's 32 acre site (as it was then) that was just too many for the sort of game we now organise and play. Good luck to Ewart for his game in December but as it's an open day I doubt many from here will attend.
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Now i'm suitably drunk, not to mention well away from the ever-watchful NetNazi at work, I can finally add my comments (only a few, most of what I *was* going to write has been covered by Headshot)
Personally, I think WW2 games should be events - something to plan for, something to look forward to - not just another sunday skirmish. In fact, the reason I got into this was because I want long games, not just how-much-ammo-can-you-use-in-a-day "trigger time" games. I want intelligent scenarios, I want players that want to *play* not just pose (and as a *very* ex member of Team Wannabe, believe me, I know about posing ) - and most of all, I want to shoot (and socialise) with a bunch of like minded lunatics.
Now we come to kit. Looking at it from outside, to some new players, it could be seen as "you must wear XYZ". But you don't, it's why we have the look-a-like system in place. It is up to an individual player to push themselves to a level they want to - thats if *they* want to, its not for anyone else to decide. imp1864 talks about his mate with a greatcoat and a few pouches. Good on him I say, get stuck in!
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I agree with most posts.
most of our PBI games will be one day affairs though as I personally have a lot of weekend commitments.
As for open days, watch this space we're thinking of planning a mass wwii walk on to a midlands site soon
(mainly as a familiarisation before we book it)
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I agree with most posts.
most of our PBI games will be one day affairs though as I personally have a lot of weekend commitments.
As for open days, watch this space we're thinking of planning a mass wwii walk on to a midlands site soon
(mainly as a familiarisation before we book it)
Keep me posted Gadge - I've not done a WW2 'walk on' love to see the reaction of the spray-and-pray players
Will do mate.
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Same here Gadge, it would be fun for a load of us to go and upset the wannabes and walter mitties.
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Same here.
Pending when it is, dare say we might attempt to tag along for the giggle