Not at all we're discussing what is a game and and what isnt. I merely made the point that you state one type of play is more of a game than another and I refuted that.
"I think we are in rats' alley - Where the dead men lost their bones."
When I want your opinion - I'll tell you what it is!
Nope Gadge, I contrasted PBI's collection of games making an event and CiA's one long event.
Are you saying PBI's events aren't games or they are games. Or they are more or less gamey than anyone else's? Hard to see your point.
I was querying your use of the word game and how you consider one approach to be quite radical and all other to be quite traditional.
To me *personally*, i see all them as games to a degree and attempts at re-enactment at the same tims as well (some more than others... for example Aerial was probably more truly a 're-enactment' than 'Arnhem'). Some approaches lean more one way than the other. I personally try and use the game terminology less for both potential future legal reasons and also as i'd like to engage re-enactors not from airsoft roots who might shy away from the term. I dont actually have a problem with the term game though myself.
My point was that regardles of organiser label, you have several approaches agreed. All day regen, short engagements and something between the two?
I dont personally think that any of the approaches is less or more of a game, that's why I queried your use of the word games and statement that one approach was more gamelike than the other when I personally feel the long regen approach is more of a traditional airsoft 'game' mechanic and detracts from 'realism' and 'being' there (one of the other issues we've debated.
There you go.
"I think we are in rats' alley - Where the dead men lost their bones."
*get's ready to shift minus key.*
Again, one person's game is another person's event, what you chose to call it cant be contested, only debated over.... lets keep it on track.
Have we had a "Chommers is always on The Game" joke yet?
I was querying your use of the word game and how you consider one approach to be quite radical and all other to be quite traditional.
No, I contrasted approaches - I didn't say either was traditional or radical - just that PBI's events were distinctive games making a whole.
You are quite right to say words put potential players off. I hope "WW2 combat events" puts casual players off frankly, anyone who turns up in trainers and expects a blat will be very disappointed! Likewise to call them, say, "WW2 airsoft reenactment battles" would put many off as, like it or not, for good reason or not, the word reenactment raises the hackles of many a player.
It is weird how few words there are that are appropriate - we tried to think of them all - and there isn't really a word that covers it Game certainly won't do. A word needs to be qualified. Airsoft game won't do either. WW2 airsoft game is closer. WW2 airsoft event is better IMHO. But there isn't a word on its own. Filmsim got pinched (and isn't appropriate for CiA anyway) so I guess another made-up word might be the ticket. But we couldn't think of one!
Im in total agreement there Dave, for myself (and speaking on behalf of my co-organisers) the only really truly appropriate word we could find was 'skirmish'.
Mainly because obviously we've two aspects to the group (living history/blank and airsoft) and skirmish seemed a term appropriate for both but tbh still doesnt truly fit either.
Definitely a pickle.
"I think we are in rats' alley - Where the dead men lost their bones."
Like you say "film sim" isnt appropriate, perhaps something more like 'history-sim'
Filmsim definitely doesnt fit CIA (or PBI) for that matter games but does for a lot of WWII battles out there. I think both CIA, PBI and Wladeks games (there may be others but i'm going off experience here) walk a dangerous tight rope of being created out of a genuine deisre for creating an immersive historicaly based event while still being entertaining and enjoyable to be part of. As Dave says the word 're-enactment' makes a lot of folk think they will be sent home for having the wrong type of repro underpants on 
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As has been said you have to make allowances for pace, flow and scenario at an event. It would be perfectly 'realistic' and not at all 'gamey' to have one side not contact the other for the entire weekend but I cant see many coming back from that saying 'best weekend ever' in the debrief... depsite us all knowing its a realistic outcome. We've sort of made a rod for our own back.. the more re-enactment based a game is the less appealing it is to the majority of airsofters and the more action and 'get some rounds downrange' it is the more buy in you get but the less it becomes a game that many of those who step up to organise want to take part in, let alone run.
I think the term filmsim has also now outstripped WWII to be multi genre and akin to 'cosplay', i coudl be wrong there but I tend to see filmsim these days as events that try to capture a general feel or a period or action (strangely in much the same way classic movies have, making allowances for facts... battle of the bulge fought with post war tanks on a wide open desert plain for example).
Note for the rest of this debate i'll use game/event/battle interchangabley and no slight is implied or intended.
"I think we are in rats' alley - Where the dead men lost their bones."
As has been said you have to make allowances for pace, flow and scenario at an event. It would be perfectly 'realistic' and not at all 'gamey' to have one side not contact the other for the entire weekend but I cant see many coming back from that saying 'best weekend ever' in the debrief...
Oh god, that's exactly what I'm hoping for this weekend! I hope people won't be too disappointed! 
It would be perfectly 'realistic' and not at all 'gamey' to have one side not contact the other for the entire weekend but I cant see many coming back from that saying 'best weekend ever' in the debrief... depsite us all knowing its a realistic outcome.
Good job you aren't coming to Jedburgh then! 
A game deliberately designed NOT to appeal to the majority of airsofters but hopefully getting plenty of 'best weekend ever' comments at the end. Only one way to find out...
I could be horribly wrong Steve, i frequently am.
I'm sure given the nature of this event it wouldnt be disasterous if that did happen! But I'd imagine a few 'near misses' will add to the excitement.
Good luck with your team btw.
Edit, by 'team' i mean that in the 'jedburgh team' sense, not in the playing a game/match sense.
"I think we are in rats' alley - Where the dead men lost their bones."
he'll be alright, its me afterall
Oh god, that's exactly what I'm hoping for this weekend! I hope people won't be too disappointed!
Don't worry Stephen, if we come away disappointed we'll just carp on about how shite it was for the next 6 months and take up WW2 Laserquest instead. 
Seriously, if anyone grumbles about a lack of trigger time at this point, they'll only have themselves to blame. It's been perfectly clear for the last 8 months what this is all about.
Now please excuse me as I have to change my knick-knacks again through peeing myself with excitement.
hehe mirror that opinion Martin.
I'm fully expecting and wanting, to not to have to shoot Jerry at all. 
Oh god, that's exactly what I'm hoping for this weekend! I hope people won't be too disappointed!
Don't worry Stephen, if we come away disappointed we'll just carp on about how shite it was for the next 6 months and take up WW2 Laserquest instead.
Seriously, if anyone grumbles about a lack of trigger time at this point, they'll only have themselves to blame. It's been perfectly clear for the last 8 months what this is all about.
Now please excuse me as I have to change my knick-knacks again through peeing myself with excitement.
No, keep them on and they'll pass as period pants.... 
Peter Rabbit - Tank Killer
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Oh god, that's exactly what I'm hoping for this weekend! I hope people won't be too disappointed!
Don't worry Stephen, if we come away disappointed we'll just carp on about how shite it was for the next 6 months and take up WW2 Laserquest instead.
Seriously, if anyone grumbles about a lack of trigger time at this point, they'll only have themselves to blame. It's been perfectly clear for the last 8 months what this is all about.
Now please excuse me as I have to change my knick-knacks again through peeing myself with excitement.
No, keep them on and they'll pass as period pants....
I think most women have a pair of them. They tend to be big, and comfortable.
But padded and absorbant for those 'brown trousers' moments when the hun are standing right next to your stealthy hide (or so i've heard...).
"I think we are in rats' alley - Where the dead men lost their bones."
