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MI-GO-A-GO-GO
(@mi-go-a-go-go)
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Just a thought as im in the process of getting stuff together for a ww1 horror larp.

Do we need or want a latex/fake melee weapons section.
the 3 games i have been to where they came into use were excellent. And there always seems to be one game a year where they are needed.

i have a m1907 bayonet being professionally made for my game at the moment by light armories and i am sure it will come to a airsoft soon.

just a thought im happy to fill it with links and recommendations

cheerho


armoury. Sten lanchesteralike thompson m1a1 thompson 1928 Garand (m14 S&S) 1911 Browning HP Tanaka M10 stg 44 mp40 x 2 tanaka k98 MG42 (AK IN PLASTIC BODY) MG34 (ak in plastic body as well) Luger broom handle latex bayonet latex E-tool

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Topic starter Posted : 08/05/2014 11:57 am
Russe11
(@russe11)
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There may not be a need for a separate section, but a thread in the weapons section would be good. With details of your bayonet if possible cos I would like to have a bayonet once I have a rifle :)

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Posted : 08/05/2014 4:42 pm
MartinR
(@martinr)
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Depending what rifle you have, Shoot & Scoot make various rubber bayonets. My No 4 and K98 bayonets came from there.

Cheers
Martin

"Mistakes in the initial deployment cannot be rectified" Helmuth von Moltke
Toys: AGM MP40, Cyma M1A1, TM M14/G43/SVT40, TM VSR/K98, SnS No. 4, ASG Sten, Ppsh.

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Posted : 09/05/2014 7:43 am
MI-GO-A-GO-GO
(@mi-go-a-go-go)
Estimable Member

the collection minus my british e tool which is awol

the weapons are from various sources (including me)
the furthest right are my latest purchases from light armories.


armoury. Sten lanchesteralike thompson m1a1 thompson 1928 Garand (m14 S&S) 1911 Browning HP Tanaka M10 stg 44 mp40 x 2 tanaka k98 MG42 (AK IN PLASTIC BODY) MG34 (ak in plastic body as well) Luger broom handle latex bayonet latex E-tool

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Topic starter Posted : 30/05/2014 7:33 am
MI-GO-A-GO-GO
(@mi-go-a-go-go)
Estimable Member

very happy with these


armoury. Sten lanchesteralike thompson m1a1 thompson 1928 Garand (m14 S&S) 1911 Browning HP Tanaka M10 stg 44 mp40 x 2 tanaka k98 MG42 (AK IN PLASTIC BODY) MG34 (ak in plastic body as well) Luger broom handle latex bayonet latex E-tool

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Topic starter Posted : 30/05/2014 7:37 am
MartinR
(@martinr)
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Your LARP weapons really are awesome. I think a lot of people (well, me for sure) would appreciate some pointers on how to make the German e-tool. I believe the basics are pipe insulation for the handle and a piece of camping mat for the blade, but how to do you stick it together, seal it, paint it so it doesn't all flake off etc?

Cheers
Martin

"Mistakes in the initial deployment cannot be rectified" Helmuth von Moltke
Toys: AGM MP40, Cyma M1A1, TM M14/G43/SVT40, TM VSR/K98, SnS No. 4, ASG Sten, Ppsh.

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Posted : 30/05/2014 8:47 am
MI-GO-A-GO-GO
(@mi-go-a-go-go)
Estimable Member

loads o guides online

a really clear american one

and this is quite good.
http://www.thequiche.com/index.html?red ... lades.html

Some stuff is awkward to get hold of especially core (kite or umbrella fiberglass rod or carbon fiber rod i usually store up)

plastazote if making quality (your yoga mats are often this) or callogen mat (camping mat) if not making best quality http://www.thamesvalleysupplies.co.uk/r ... hp?key=261

isoflex primer http://www.staxtradecentres.co.uk/produ ... primer.htm

other than that you need latex, evostick, evostic cleaner, brushes, loads of scaples, talcum powder. acrylic paint.

phew


armoury. Sten lanchesteralike thompson m1a1 thompson 1928 Garand (m14 S&S) 1911 Browning HP Tanaka M10 stg 44 mp40 x 2 tanaka k98 MG42 (AK IN PLASTIC BODY) MG34 (ak in plastic body as well) Luger broom handle latex bayonet latex E-tool

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Topic starter Posted : 30/05/2014 9:16 am
Universal Gunner
(@universal-gunner)
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AGS were talking about making a load of entrenching tools for the cancelled ( :( :( :( ) Stalingrad-Rattenkrieg game. Did this happen? Are they available for sale?

Personally I'd be up for a Russian/German entrenching tool, a 1907 bayonet and a Commando Knife without the equivalent of paper for a blade.

I have a small skewer hidden in the collar of my jumping jacket, and a razorblade in my gaiter, as well as my knife.

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Posted : 30/05/2014 9:25 am
MI-GO-A-GO-GO
(@mi-go-a-go-go)
Estimable Member

you could get quotes from the makers
Mike at light armories did my 1907 bayonet for me
http://www.lightarmoury.co.uk/

And skian mhor did a bed warming pan, frying pan and shovel for me a while back
http://shop.skianmhor.com/

both great guys and the advantage is they make them to all the uk LARP system specs so you know they are safe.

cheerho


armoury. Sten lanchesteralike thompson m1a1 thompson 1928 Garand (m14 S&S) 1911 Browning HP Tanaka M10 stg 44 mp40 x 2 tanaka k98 MG42 (AK IN PLASTIC BODY) MG34 (ak in plastic body as well) Luger broom handle latex bayonet latex E-tool

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Topic starter Posted : 30/05/2014 9:53 am
Broadsword
(@broadsword)
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Here's a few I've made over the years. There's a lot more examples here...

... e=bookmark

I do commissions, but I'm also happy to point people in the right direction for supplies as I don't do this full time. There's a guide on how to make a basic sword here..

http://the-little-seamstress.blogspot.c ... chive.html

...which a student working with us put together.

Cores aren't hard to get hold of. Look for Glass Reenforced Plastic (GRP) on ebay, or http://www.ecfibreglasssupplies.co.uk/ You can use carbon fibre but its more expensive and isn't worth it for short weapons. 6mm GRP is fine for knives. 9mm for 24" ish e-tools and axes, etc.-- attachment is not available ---- attachment is not available ---- attachment is not available --

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Posted : 28/06/2014 2:41 pm
(@gunman)
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As always Martin, they are excellent mate. Not enough bashing and stabbing in WW2 games for me

Heer Schmidt

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Posted : 30/06/2014 9:00 am
Russe11
(@russe11)
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What paint do you use? I presume you need a paint that can stretch with the material so it doesn't flake off when you hit someone?

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Posted : 10/07/2014 5:34 pm
McVickers
(@mcvickers)
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What paint do you use? I presume you need a paint that can stretch with the material so it doesn't flake off when you hit someone?

...isoflex primer http://www.staxtradecentres.co.uk/produ ... primer.htm ...

...acrylic paint.

A Proud Member Of 'Team Spleen!' who play mainly at Gunman Airsoft, Tuddenham, Suffolk.

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Posted : 10/07/2014 10:27 pm
Russe11
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I have received a shoot and scoot P1907 bayonet http://www.shootandscoot.co.uk/shop/sml ... et-rubber/. It looks great but its floppy as hell. Should I return it or is there a way to reinforce it without making it dangerous?
I considered 2 options; Drill diagonal holes along the back of the blade and insert short lengths of a stiffener or glue a strip of stiffer material to the 1st 2/3rds of the back of the blade. A strip of cardboard may be enough to prevent sideways flexing.

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Posted : 15/07/2014 11:16 pm
Allenby
(@allenby)
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I wouldn't, mate.

In your typical LARP game, thrusting with a sword is forbidden. This is because LARP swords have a rigid core and it's not been unheard of for the core to 'pop' through the foam and injure people.

The nature of a bayonet being a thrusting weapon, these are intentionally very flexible. Whilst I'd imagine it's possible to make it stiffer, the glue option would work, I'm not sure it'd be a good idea. I've considered it with my No.4 bayonet, but honestly I think any attempt to do so and you get something that could potentially cease to be classified LARP safe. I simply don't think a lot of sites would accept it either.

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Posted : 16/07/2014 6:14 am
MartinR
(@martinr)
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All the SnS bayonets are floppy, they sometimes stiffen up with time.

I would take an extremely dim view of someone sticking an artificially reinforced bayonet into me. See the other discussions 're people cocking around with knives, real bayonets etc.

If you want to use it in a game, then tap people with it.

Cheers
Martin

"Mistakes in the initial deployment cannot be rectified" Helmuth von Moltke
Toys: AGM MP40, Cyma M1A1, TM M14/G43/SVT40, TM VSR/K98, SnS No. 4, ASG Sten, Ppsh.

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Posted : 16/07/2014 6:26 am
Russe11
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There's floppy and there's floppy. It present it is not Larp safe, as it cannot be predicted where the point will end up. If I hold it vertically the end will bend over and point at the floor. I may try glueing a strip of card to the edge as that will resist sideways movement and will not pose a threat to anyone.

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Posted : 16/07/2014 4:00 pm
Chomley-Warner
(@admin-infinity)
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A dilute solution of sildenafil works I believe. The key is getting the dose right - you want more of a 'soft lob' rather than a pikestaff.

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Posted : 16/07/2014 4:54 pm
McVickers
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There's floppy and there's floppy. It present it is not Larp safe, as it cannot be predicted where the point will end up. If I hold it vertically the end will bend over and point at the floor.

I agree. If it's sooooo floppy that it can't even stand up on it's own, you might a well just have a non-descript rod of floppy plastic in your hand/on the end of your gun. Sure it may be shaped like a bayonet, but if when used in doesn't look like a bayonet due to its immense floppitude, then you might as well just use your finger. Some subtle and safe stiffening required methinks...

A Proud Member Of 'Team Spleen!' who play mainly at Gunman Airsoft, Tuddenham, Suffolk.

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Posted : 16/07/2014 10:37 pm
Russe11
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By my reckoning, if I stiffen the 1st 2/3 of the blade, it will be stable enough. This leaves 3-4 inches at the tip flexible enough to prevent accidents. I have mocked up a test by taping a strip of card to the top of the blade and it seems to work, so I shall try glueing it. Worst case scenario where I get carried away or lose balance and stab too hard, the reinforcing strip will break and be harmless.
TBH, I cannot see the P1907 Bayonet ever being used for a kill, its so vicious looking people will surrender long before you get in bayonet range

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Posted : 16/07/2014 11:40 pm
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