The Face Mask Poll

And there is the thrust of your argument Chris.

You guys have completely ignored the thrust of my argument again and again which was "safety over all else", now in favour of characterising me as "The new guy who will understand after his first skirmish." Well don't get your hopes up as this is the last you'll see of me. Enjoy your WW2.

To be honest, if your mantra to life is 'safety over all else' you might as well give up now. Crossed the road recently? Stood next to someone on the train who is sneezing?

Eating Wladek's stew is probably more dangerous than not wearing a face mask.

Life is about taking risks and pushing the boundaries of safety. If you sit back and stay safe your whole life you'll miss out on a hell of a lot. Above all, the joyous zinging, stinging feeling of a BB glancing off your cheek as you rush an enemy position with mortars and pyrotechnics going off around you.

I've sat on the sidelines with this whole "debate", mainly because I don't really care about it very much! However, I will say that I voted for option 3, because, to me, what face/eye protection people choose is FAR less important than what goes on in their minds during a WW2 event. Admittedly, some of those darth vader type masks make me think that the wearer is a bit of a dick but, it's only a passing thought. I've worn full face protection at only 1 WW2 event, which was "Wotan" and, I was glad that I did and, couldn't have cared less if it spoiled anyone else's "immersion".

There are a lot of people with near perfect kit, who wear near invisible eye protection, who still play like complete cocks when they get in the field. I think that once this far more important issue has been addressed, perhaps we will have time to discuss the merits of face and eye protection.

There are a lot of people with near perfect kit, who wear near invisible eye protection, who still play like complete cocks when they get in the field. I think that once this far more important issue has been addressed, perhaps we will have time to discuss the merits of face and eye protection.

You may have a point there Pete!

Eating Wladek's stew is probably more dangerous than not wearing a face mask.

DAMMIT! Both of my main stew proselytizers are on holiday... Now I have to make an extra special stew at Bast'.

Yup

There are a lot of people with near perfect kit, who wear near invisible eye protection, who still play like complete cocks when they get in the field. I think that once this far more important issue has been addressed, perhaps we will have time to discuss the merits of face and eye protection.

You may have a point there Pete!

Nothing stopping one addressing that, I believe most people can handle two thoughts at once.

I believe most people can handle two thoughts at once.

Speak for yourself! I can barely drink drink beer and watch tv at the same time!

I actually agree with you - not about the beer and TV bit, I have no TV and hate beer - but I am unsure how you can really 'address' the situation.

I mean someone came in an joined my Mount & Blade Napoleon server and started killing his own light infantryman whilst he was playing a piano... I mean, I don't think that guy thought he was being a dick. He must have though that was a quite legitimate, even fun, thing to do...

But it is even more then that - throwing someone off site for shooting their own team is easy - it is the player (I am keeping with my online gaming analogy) who just plays 'different' to you. The player who 'sidesteps' towards you whilst your musket is aimed, or runs around in a circle on the spot all the time in case they are being shot at. These people feel even less like they are being dicks - in fact some of them would consider my endless series of house rules dickish in such situations.

So I am not sure how you could proceed, without defining the dick-ish behaviour, and that could be 'problematic' to say the least.

Another cans of worms opened. Cheers Pete and Craig

:slap: Another cans of worms opened. Cheers Pete and Craig

Well, Ranj and Rich are on holiday, so I have no one to talk to. What you have me do? Sell books? oh dear me no.

:slap: Another cans of worms opened. Cheers Pete and Craig

Pete, I agree with you about the mindset, but to me the full face mask IS the mindset - "I'll wear whatever I like, even though it spoils the whole gag" is no different to "I'll do whatever I like, even though it spoils the whole gag". I'm genuinely baffled by people that want to get all huffy about it. If you want to wear and do whatever the hell you like, then as far as airsoft games go you're already spoiled for choice

I think a lot of it comes down to the misuse of the word "ban", which suggests that there is some kind of WW2 Airsoft governing body that will outlaw all masks for all games. We know that nothing could be further from the truth but others may not. It's simply a new ruleset that Craig wants to try out. If my only experience of airsoft was the horizontal 400fps hailstorm that some guys are used to then I might also raise an eyebrow, and it's interesting that the people who are objecting are the ones with little or no experience of quite how different and varied WW2 games are.

Also, let's be clear that Craig isn't asking us, he's telling us. All potential players have two choices - go or don't go. Go but with a face mask isn't an option for this particular event.

All of Josh's games including Op Greenback will most definitely allow full face masks so Chris, if you're reading this I also suggest that you go along to the game you've paid for as it should be a cracker

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I actually agree with you - not about the beer and TV bit, I have no TV and hate beer - but I am unsure how you can really 'address' the situation.

I mean someone came in an joined my Mount & Blade Napoleon server and started killing his own light infantryman whilst he was playing a piano... I mean, I don't think that guy thought he was being a dick. He must have though that was a quite legitimate, even fun, thing to do...

But it is even more then that - throwing someone off site for shooting their own team is easy - it is the player (I am keeping with my online gaming analogy) who just plays 'different' to you. The player who 'sidesteps' towards you whilst your musket is aimed, or runs around in a circle on the spot all the time in case they are being shot at. These people feel even less like they are being dicks - in fact some of them would consider my endless series of house rules dickish in such situations.

So I am not sure how you could proceed, without defining the dick-ish behaviour, and that could be 'problematic' to say the least.

All covered by rule one from ags games and rule two as well ,and i quote "don't be a cock" and the face mask debate could be covered by a third rule "dont look like a cock either"

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I actually agree with you - not about the beer and TV bit, I have no TV and hate beer - but I am unsure how you can really 'address' the situation.

I mean someone came in an joined my Mount & Blade Napoleon server and started killing his own light infantryman whilst he was playing a piano... I mean, I don't think that guy thought he was being a dick. He must have though that was a quite legitimate, even fun, thing to do...

But it is even more then that - throwing someone off site for shooting their own team is easy - it is the player (I am keeping with my online gaming analogy) who just plays 'different' to you. The player who 'sidesteps' towards you whilst your musket is aimed, or runs around in a circle on the spot all the time in case they are being shot at. These people feel even less like they are being dicks - in fact some of them would consider my endless series of house rules dickish in such situations.

So I am not sure how you could proceed, without defining the dick-ish behaviour, and that could be 'problematic' to say the least.

All covered by rule one from ags games and rule two as well ,and i quote "don't be a cock" and the face mask debate could be covered by a third rule "dont look like a cock either"

Actually rule one is a CiA rule appropriated by ags - amongst many others.

My point is that: the problem is people vary rarely, in fact almost never, think they are acting like a cock. Likewise the people wearing face masks do not think they are looking like a cock. So just telling people 'not to be a cock' would not resolve any of these issues.

It is an amusing start to the day, makes one smile and is good for defining a general 'you are not here to 'win' and play the rules' atmosphere, but as a rule it has always fallen short of the mark.

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I actually agree with you - not about the beer and TV bit, I have no TV and hate beer - but I am unsure how you can really 'address' the situation.

I mean someone came in an joined my Mount & Blade Napoleon server and started killing his own light infantryman whilst he was playing a piano... I mean, I don't think that guy thought he was being a dick. He must have though that was a quite legitimate, even fun, thing to do...

But it is even more then that - throwing someone off site for shooting their own team is easy - it is the player (I am keeping with my online gaming analogy) who just plays 'different' to you. The player who 'sidesteps' towards you whilst your musket is aimed, or runs around in a circle on the spot all the time in case they are being shot at. These people feel even less like they are being dicks - in fact some of them would consider my endless series of house rules dickish in such situations.

So I am not sure how you could proceed, without defining the dick-ish behaviour, and that could be 'problematic' to say the least.

All covered by rule one from ags games and rule two as well ,and i quote "don't be a cock" and the face mask debate could be covered by a third rule "dont look like a cock either"

Actually rule one is a CiA rule appropriated by ags - amongst many others.

My point is that: the problem is people vary rarely, in fact almost never, think they are acting like a cock. Likewise the people wearing face masks do not think they are looking like a cock. So just telling people 'not to be a cock' would not resolve any of these issues.

It is an amusing start to the day, makes one smile and is good for defining a general 'you are not here to 'win' and play the rules' atmosphere, but as a rule it has always fallen short of the mark.

General peer pressure tends to work on that one. We've had one or two cocks come and go and usually it's because most people think they're being a cock. I think it's impossible to be individually objective about cockishness, it tends to have to be a group-think thing.

Thanks for the credit for Rule Number One BTW.

There is no way of knowing how much cockish behavior we would have suffered without telling people not to be cocks, so no way of knowing if it's fallen short or not.

Then again, maybe real WWII combat was characterised by an element of people behaving like cocks and us not doing it is actually doing a disservice to the genre.

....my head hurts

In the interests of the Equality Legislation of this day and age please don't forget that one person's cock is another's person's twat.

In the interests of the Equality Legislation of this day and age please don't forget that one person's cock is another's person's tw*t.

I'd say that one person's cock is another person's rooster, but have it your own way.

That's right, blame the chickens.

It has to be safety first. I've seen people who have lost teeth. Not a very common accident but it does happen. Personally I would love to play in games where there were no face masks AND no goggles, because if we are talking about aesthetics then how many WW2 service men ran around with ballistic goggles on? We have to wear googles obviously and I believe that anyone who feels safer with some form of mask as face protection is entitled to wear one.
Darth Vader masks - NO!
Flesh coloured masks that people have taken time and effort to make less distracting for the imaginatively challenged - Yes! I have no problem with them.
The first mask I made was done as a Stalingrad frozen German. See pic opposite.
Now I am on mask Mk.3 which is a flesh coloured half mask designed to be less distracting.
I have seen celebrities who have had "work done" that look more noticeable.