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(@komrade)
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Went to a walk on day today and the next 'big thing' seems to be polarstar engined guns. The polarstar engine (from what i understand) is basically gearbox shape but only consists of a piston, nozzle and trigger mech, and the BB is fired by HPA (pressured air, like used when diving). The advantage with them is that they're easily adjustable, sound nice (clunk rather than a whine) , reliable , consistent and the ROF can be tampered to be insane. One of the downsides is that they have a gas hose out of the gun into a HPA gas bottle, usually people store these in their rucksacks.

So i was thinking of an application to WW2 airsoft and I think that support weapons like the MG42 could be made to be properly devastating and have a good advantage over AEGs if they used these systems. Might make for an interesting game, but then again if people started dropping these engines into SMGs you could have some frankly ridiculous open day esque firefights at even the most 'immersive' WW2 events. And obviously you have the realism problem with people having gas hoses feeding out of their weapons.

Do you think Polarstars could have a good impact on the WW2 scene or would you argue that they might just give people an easy avenue into 40 RPS MP40s? Just an open question really, I imagine we'll be seeing a lot more of these guns in the near future!

Cheers :)

A few pictures:

The gas line, although this is often a lot smaller and not coiled unlike in this photo

A STG i just found, see what you think about the look of it

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Topic starter Posted : 20/07/2014 6:53 pm
HeadShot
(@headshot)
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I thought compressed air guns had been around for ages. Didn't someone have an MG42 with the bottle in their gas mask tin?

Anyway, these would be pointless in any WW2 event worth playing as the ammo limits would preclude any practical use of the high ROF.



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Posted : 20/07/2014 7:34 pm
Jimmiiee
(@jimmiiee)
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ROF aside they are extremely accurate and have an awesome range

As nice as they are for modern milsim, skirmish ect. however I don't think they have a place in the WW2 community. It's the gas tank & tube, too much of an eye sore


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Posted : 20/07/2014 8:10 pm
dadio
(@dadio)
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it's in essence just a different type of gearbox that's gas powered ,i could easily make a 35 round's per second mp40 with a standard aeg gearbox but it would have no place in any WW2 game ,if you installed it and gave it a realistic rate of fire and sub 350 fps then i can't see any problem , yes it would have a gas tube and air tank that would fit in a Brit small pack so not a huge visual impact .It's an expensive and cumbersome way to replace an aeg gearbox without the advantage of being able to use the higher rate of fire that is it's virtue in modern airsoft ,so yes you could do it but why would you go to the trouble and expence

armoury
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Posted : 20/07/2014 8:15 pm
dadio
(@dadio)
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ROF aside they are extremely accurate and have an awesome range

As nice as they are for modern milsim, skirmish ect. however I don't think they have a place in the WW2 community. It's the gas tank & tube, too much of an eye sore

accuracy and range are due to hop and barrel not the gas system

armoury
m1a1 Thompson,sten mk2,mp40,stg44,sterling,mk2 bren gun,lee Enfield no4 mk1,Mauser Kar98, Walther ppk,smith and Weston m10 and Mauser m712
Give me a big enough hammer and a place to stand and I could fix the world.
i'll kill a man in a fair fight or if i think he's going to start a fair fight or over a woman or.......
a problem shared is a problem halved ,but an advantage shared is no advantage at all
if a job's not worth doing then its certainly not worth doing well





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Posted : 20/07/2014 8:17 pm
(@prideofengland)
Noble Member

I dont see why the gas tank cant be disguised in a Gas mask canister or bread bag, granted a high rate of fire would not be of any practical use unless for an MG.

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Posted : 20/07/2014 8:18 pm
cjw957
(@cjw957)
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down side is easy to change the fps at a flick , and i have seen 1 gun removed due to this in a modern game




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Posted : 20/07/2014 8:35 pm
Chomley-Warner
(@admin-infinity)
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Meh, a blast from the past! One of the most coveted WW2 guns (before it became mainstream) was the Shui MP44 and MG42 - we didn't have a problem with them then and I don't see why we would now. Was awesome when they claketty-clacked next to you, much better than the sowing machine of AEGs. As I recall, the MP44 certainly wasn't high ROF, so if it could be done then, it can be done now.

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Posted : 20/07/2014 9:00 pm
MartinR
(@martinr)
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Yes, I remember the gas powered MG42. A tad pricey, but when did that ever stop us :)

The only practical issue (apart from tweaking the fps and ROF to be appropriate for WW2 games) is how to you fill the air bottles? Presumably you need your own divers compressor?

Cheers
Martin

"Mistakes in the initial deployment cannot be rectified" Helmuth von Moltke
Toys: AGM MP40, Cyma M1A1, TM M14/G43/SVT40, TM VSR/K98, SnS No. 4, ASG Sten, Ppsh.

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Posted : 21/07/2014 9:01 am
cjw957
(@cjw957)
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have a few friends who use them at modern games , but they all for huge rof and raining plastic death on any 1 , not to mention latest fads, but as been said this is just a rehash of what's been done before , and as they showed me there are ways to lock the fps down ,so cant be adjusted in game as would not want a guy like i saw adjusting his mid game from 360 to over 500 fps.

On a personal level on games i run would have no problem with them as long as they are shown to have there fps locked as we don't run any games with higher than 360 fps, but i have a very high trust level on the ww2 crowd than say any other one.




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Posted : 21/07/2014 9:10 am
(@gunman)
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have a few friends who use them at modern games , but they all for huge rof and raining plastic death on any 1 , not to mention latest fads, but as been said this is just a rehash of what's been done before , and as they showed me there are ways to lock the fps down ,so cant be adjusted in game as would not want a guy like i saw adjusting his mid game from 360 to over 500 fps.

On a personal level on games i run would have no problem with them as long as they are shown to have there fps locked as we don't run any games with higher than 360 fps, but i have a very high trust level on the ww2 crowd than say any other one.

WHAT HE SAID

Heer Schmidt

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Posted : 21/07/2014 9:37 am
(@gunman)
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You could make an awesome flame thrower thing with one though;)

Heer Schmidt

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Posted : 21/07/2014 9:38 am
cjw957
(@cjw957)
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You could make an awesome flame thrower thing with one though;)

lol that was was what i thought and sent some images to a friend see what he thought :)




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Posted : 21/07/2014 10:19 am
dieselmonkey
(@dieselmonkey)
Noble Member

Yeah, the Shoei guns used the same mechanism years ago. Wasn't a problem then, wouldn't be now. What would be an issue is the fps they run at. I seem to recall it was easy to whack up the pressure on the regulator to make them pretty bloody hot for a full auto gun.

Also not really sure how much use 18million rounds per minute would be much use in ww2 games. At least not the type I'd like to attend.

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Posted : 21/07/2014 6:35 pm
Nurglitch
(@nurglitch)
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If the game has ammo limit an insane ROF is a problem, not an advantage. Being able to expend your entire ammo unit in 3s is not very appealing.

Kitwhore files: S&S Lee Enfield No. 4, AGM Sten Mk. II, Tanaka Kar 98k, WE Luger P08
Wishlist: AGM Stg44, possible LE No. 4 gas project

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Posted : 23/07/2014 3:18 pm
askhati
(@askhati)
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If the game has ammo limit an insane ROF is a problem, not an advantage. Being able to expend your entire ammo unit in 3s is not very appealing.

...but it would match the realities faced by an MG42 team? *Devil's Advocate*

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Posted : 27/07/2014 10:27 am
Kendo
(@kendo)
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If the game has ammo limit an insane ROF is a problem, not an advantage. Being able to expend your entire ammo unit in 3s is not very appealing.

...but it would match the realities faced by an MG42 team? *Devil's Advocate*

This, and more. The fact is I already have no problem overlooking other wee 'misdemeanors' during WW2 games without breaking the immersion (playing in full WW2 kit amongst hi-cap heroes on walk-on days will dull you like that), so I'm sure I can overlook a hose stretching from a gun into a gas tin/small pack/whatever. Even a blistering ROF wouldn't bother me, because as mentioned, I reckon it'd be more of a hindrance than an advantage in a regulated scenario anyway, what with ammo restrictions and all.

And really, I don't know many AEGs or gas guns that have the same ROF as their real-life counterparts - my Sten fires much faster than the real steel.

'ABSIT OMEN'

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Posted : 07/08/2014 7:35 pm
(@gunman)
Noble Member

I have an MG42 and 50cal on the work table. Both getting fitted with polar star so we can control the FPS and rate if fire as we wish. You have complete control over everything.

Not sure I would be interested in them in AEG bodies until the blow back system is released;)

Heer Schmidt

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Posted : 01/09/2014 2:38 pm
(@billy7766)
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Ahem. Does anyone have an extra kidney?

http://www.grangeairsoft.com/1919-full- ... er/dp/1376

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Posted : 20/05/2015 9:12 am
dadio
(@dadio)
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Paying an arm and a leg or even a kidney for something is OK so long as its someone else's kidney ,arm and leg
The whole point of the polstar system is the control you have over ROF and power ,they can be set to exactly mimic the real weapon for ROF and game limits on power ,if your happy lugging a gas tank into the field then go for it.

armoury
m1a1 Thompson,sten mk2,mp40,stg44,sterling,mk2 bren gun,lee Enfield no4 mk1,Mauser Kar98, Walther ppk,smith and Weston m10 and Mauser m712
Give me a big enough hammer and a place to stand and I could fix the world.
i'll kill a man in a fair fight or if i think he's going to start a fair fight or over a woman or.......
a problem shared is a problem halved ,but an advantage shared is no advantage at all
if a job's not worth doing then its certainly not worth doing well





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Posted : 20/05/2015 10:17 am
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