Given that we are moving towards a more tighter regime and that we are opening bookings we ought to tie down a spec before they fork out money!
We have previously stated "This event will be tighter on kit levels than unusual as part of our progression to more 'believable' battles than somewhat relaxed events of past years. Out of respect for those members who are wearing authentic kit please take the time and trouble to look the part. The basic look is Feldgrau for Germans and BD (Army or Airforce) for Brits. No camouflage is to be worn by either side. More details of this to come. No US uniforms at all."
Existing guns looks-like:
MP5 = MP40 or Sten auto
M14 = Garand/G43 semi-auto
M14 / bipod must be used deployed = BAR auto
AK47 & AK74 with full stock = MP44 auto
AK47 & AK74 folding stock = MP40 auto
Any bolt action sniper without scope = K98/M1/Enfield single
Any bolt action sniper with scope = K98/Springfield/Enfield single
M249 or M60 must be used deployed = MG34/43, Bren or M1919 30cal (suitably converted with a card tube barrel cooler/cover then its a Vickers) auto
Propose the following:
We are looking for period weapons only for this event, the only acceptable modern weapon will be the M14 in place of a Garand. Since this is a very early war scenario StG 44s will not be allowed but for pragmatic reasons all other WW2 weapons are fine.
German uniforms.
No camouflage smocks, hats or helmet covers - feldgrau uniforms and helmets only please. We would love to have a load of Heer for this event, so very much under-represented at these events! If you can't do Heer then SS kit is fine.
Allied uniforms.
Allies have been on the run for days and we don't expect parade ground standard dress levels. Indeed, these stragglers will have dumped unnecessary kit long ago and the allies will comprise a mixed bunch - airmen, mechanics, support and HQ staff, infantrymen (historically there were a lot of 52nd (Lowland) Division in Op Ariel) as well as Polish and French troops.
Guy and I have discussed the possibility of introducing French civvies but I don't think we will make this public unless numbers seem low. They may be a useful tool to keep evacuees fed and supplied as well as assisted with routes and directions. They aren't essential, the same thing can be achieved by finding dumped kit or eating off the land.
Hmmm. Might piss off some of the new '44 owners. (Neill Blume will be apoplectic, but meh.) Will we be allowing Thompsons and the new Stens? I guess Thompsons could be argued on lend-lease.
Stephen
Don't care about MP44's owners being annoyed for this one. Blume especially - he's starting to piss me off somewhat. I had to stick my oar in several times at Glocke when he started accusing people of blind firing and not taking hits.
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I'm wearing a camo cover on my helmet whether you like it or not
When we were a Kingdom it was run by a King
When we were an Empire it was run by an Empress
Now we're a country we're run by a..........
Any WW2 gun is fine except for the MP44 which is distinctly very late war, even at a glance.
Why would you wear a camo cover when players can't Jay?
Because he's going as Totenkopf who were issued with helmet covers from day one . Totally accurate .
Also re SS , there was only the original three units in 1940 ( Liebstandarte, Das Reich and Totenkopf) ,and they were in assault regiment size only ....... no 9th , no 12th SS no 16th .
re the guns , 100% agree . If the Sten is arguable for 1940 then fine if not then bollox, MP44 is also a no no for obvious reasons .
And why M14's no Garands available then, unless we argue they count as "any bolt action" .
If we don't draw the lines ( an I suggest we just say this is how it is rather than have a debate on "well prototype guns were available in 1940", "yes they were" "no they weren't" ad nauseum) then it makes a nonsense of billing it as early war.
re the kit 100% fine with it .
Easy that wasn't it !
Chomers still don't know about this fucking interview....assume tommorrow is on?
So why didn't Jay say he was going as Totenkopf? Anyway, weren't we supposed to be promoting Wehrmacht for this game?
Yes, absolutely - no debate with the punters. But we have to be sensible and pragmatic about gun restrictions don't we - and we are making a step in the right direction, not a giant leap. No modern weapons is a big step and banning late war weapons a step and a half! And the danger of anality on absolute detail just detracts from the real object of the exercise - the battle. Lots of people have Thompsons, MP40s, M14s, a few have No4s - none has an SMLE or MP38 (yet ). Compromises have to be made.
Therefore, I'd say that rifles are to be our weapon of choice and that any wood stocked rifles are fine on single shot (better to have lots of M14s than lots of Thompsons). If no rifle is owned then WW2 sub-machine gun of some sort is OK but no assault rifles. Not perfect but an achievable compromise - it would all look good at 20ft and hopefully reign back on the automatic fire.
Yes, cleared it with the Obesrt, OK for tomorrow - I'll drop Tyreal a note.
Regarding the weapons, might be an idea to make sure the organisers have the right sort of guns before we go banning them, eh?
Well, I know we have - amongst us more than plenty!
I would try to emphasise bolt-action rifles for this event. Bar 10's (the VSR clone) are bloody cheap, and effective - and with a little bit of work can be made to look like a half reasonable No.4. or a K98. Hell, not as though they'd need to get a scope to go on it either....
Oh yeah, ZF41's on Tanaka's - there were a few around in 1940, but they weren't strictly type approved till '41
(hence the name)
When we were a Kingdom it was run by a King
When we were an Empire it was run by an Empress
Now we're a country we're run by a..........
Site visit tomorrow evening cleared with Alex.
Right, how is this for a required gun list?
NOT allowed: StG44 any non-WW2 gun (with the exception of M14)
Preferred choice - bolt action rifle
if not available then:
Any wood stock rifle used on single shot only
if not available then:
Sten, MP40, Thompson (of any flavours but used on single shot where its possible)
If support weapon is chosen it must be WW2 period.
While on the subject of weapons: the permanent 'looks-like' list on the web site is no longer the CiA looks-like list but a generic guide for other organisers to adopt.
Fine by me, although I'd allow them to use the SMGs as full auto SMGs ....that's what they were there for . It's not a singleshot game .
Also have posted a suggestion in the Sten thread about tightening up on look a likes . Reckon this is something we ought to consider going forward now that there are a lot more period guns around. Newbies can alwasy ask ot borrow , guns have been lent out a lot in the past by other players so I'm not convinced by the "inclusive" bit so much anymore.
Aye yes, I wasn't thinking there! Hopefully with a hierarchy of preferred guns there will be fewer SMGs than normal anyway - perhaps if we adopt the 300rnd rule those with SMGs would think twice before keeping their finger on the trigger.
300rds is a good compromise !We could have it as a blanket limit for all although rifles wouldn't need it .