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Steiner
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In addition, as hicap mags are gravity fed, it would only be able to fire the BB's it has in the mechanism before running into trouble. All the more reason for someone to fabricate locaps :)

As someone who used to abhor lo-caps, having used my MP40 for a while, I am now a big fan. If you have enough of them, you are not outgunned by hicappers, especially if we are operating under the 600-round limit. The amount of time it takes to change a mag is equal to the amount of time you spend winding hicaps. So, if locaps make the prospect of building a Sten easier, I say go with that. Look how popular the MP40 is!


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Posted : 11/10/2007 12:06 pm
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I was offering up an armalite hop as an example, I'm sure the same principle can be applied to any hop unit, within reason (which, evidently it has :)).

 
Posted : 11/10/2007 12:09 pm
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As someone who used to abhor lo-caps, having used my MP40 for a while, I am now a big fan. If you have enough of them, you are not outgunned by hicappers, especially if we are operating under the 600-round limit. The amount of time it takes to change a mag is equal to the amount of time you spend winding hicaps. So, if locaps make the prospect of building a Sten easier, I say go with that. Look how popular the MP40 is!

With the help of a friend, between us, both with MP40's, we've managed to push back the entire right flank of hi-cap users to just outside their dead-zone, in one of our home games!

Skill over fire power :wink:

 
Posted : 11/10/2007 12:10 pm
 Yith
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Agreed Steiner... The way ahead for the sten is low and/or mid caps.

Leave the windy things out of it. They'll never work well on their side as you'll find that they'll unwind after just a few shots without the pressure of bbs on the top of them.

Sure you could do some sort of pushing mechanism like on the P90 hicaps... But those who've owned a P90 will tell you how prone to jamming those were! (I had one and it was shite)

 
Posted : 11/10/2007 12:10 pm
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On the ww2aa forum the guy who runs AirSharp ( http://air-sharp.com/ ) has modified the hopup from an AGM MP40 so that the feedtube is vertical, (this was to be able to use the MP40 internals in his Browning 30 cal), and from what I can gather this has been very successful, I think it would be safe to assume that his method would work if you were turning it through 90 degrees instead of 180. I'll post a link to the appropriate thread when I get home as the work firewall won't let me connect to the ww2aa forum.



 
Posted : 11/10/2007 12:19 pm
 Yith
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The new Marui MAC-10 looks interesting for conversions... We may be even able to use the mag?

http://www.airsoft-news.eu/news.php?item.1483.1

 
Posted : 11/10/2007 4:48 pm
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depends on if the triggers fixed in place or not. mag well needs to be after the trigger not before it.



 
Posted : 11/10/2007 5:28 pm
 Yith
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yup agreed... will be interesting to see!

 
Posted : 11/10/2007 7:45 pm
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Not sure if this belongs here or in a different thread but am happy to be re-educated... :D

Encouraged by content of this thread I've been having a gander at my TM M14 versus my STEN Mk.V.....

My thought can't be new so I'm wondering how anyone else has addressed it before (have looked here and elsewhere but can't find the answer in other threads)..... simplistically the M14 just maybe provides the bulk of the parts for a 99%-visually good STEN Mk.V.....

..... some drainage pipe and sheet metal for the outer body, mod the trigger and the trigger guard, retain but cosmetically modify the cocking handle, maybe (or maybe not) relocate the selector switch but ...... how to deal with the sideways feed mag?

Maybe fabricate a mag housing from sheet steel maybe using a fixed hop-up (scrounged from a springer pistol?)..... with the housing to take MP40 mags ..... and seal/block the existing pellet feed ....?

Has anyone already thought it through or given it a go and decided it's a waste of an M14....??

Cheers.

 
Posted : 12/10/2007 9:45 pm
Rhysd2
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we've been considering it but not tried it yet. as you say hardest parts moving the trigger back so the hops in the right place. then ya just have to mod the hop through 90 degrees



 
Posted : 12/10/2007 9:52 pm
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Interesting ... thanks..... I might be revealing my ignorance here but how about leaving the trigger where it is, sealing off the existing pellet feed (hopper? not sure on the terminology) and creating a new one* where the side-ways mag should be?

*A problem to have the pellet so far ahead of the piston?

 
Posted : 12/10/2007 9:56 pm
Rhysd2
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it'd probably be easier not to use a m14 hop up. a mp5 or AK is far easier to modify



 
Posted : 12/10/2007 10:08 pm
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Cheers ....was just trying to be efficient ( = tightwad) in making as much use of donor gun as possible :)

 
Posted : 12/10/2007 10:12 pm
Rhysd2
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hop units cost bugger all from hong kong :) pretty cheap for a few to experiment with



 
Posted : 12/10/2007 10:14 pm
Joker
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Another possible donor could be the new ACM L85's ?

As previous, famas g/boxes have been used before, the g/box in my modified Academy L85 is a famas copy, so assumedly the new L85 will be similar ?
If so, it should also have a remote trigger linkage making siting the trigger and consequentially the hop unit easier.

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Posted : 13/10/2007 12:40 am
Rhysd2
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OK pretty much have worked out how to build a later mk sten like warrens apart from being able to do the more advanced metal work.

however the patchett looks easier to do first. I think with a mp5 lower and some tubing, then a modified mp5 hop, or ak hop if that wont work, and the mp5 mag well a patchett should be eaay ish to make.

My one problem is finding pictures of the originals. I can only seem to find pictures and measurements of the later sterlings. canyone know where I might be able to find pics and/or measurements?

cheers



 
Posted : 14/10/2007 9:45 am
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From Axis History Forum .....

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Posted : 14/10/2007 10:42 am
Rhysd2
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blimey thats short. thanks :)

after examining it more may well have to make it look more like the later models in order for the gearbox to fit in. a mp5 is ideal as the grip looks a little like the patchett and the body/magell could be hacked so they fit into/onto the tube to be used for the receiver. not looking much easier compared to making a sten now.



 
Posted : 14/10/2007 10:44 am
Joker
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No worries :)

Where were you planing to hid the batts ?
With a T-stock sten a stick battery would fit it the stock, but as you say 'it's short' !?
Maybe a mini battery to the rear of the g/box ? (The low mAh-age shouldn't be too much of a problem if lo-caps are being used)

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Posted : 14/10/2007 10:58 am
slick63
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I`ve started building a mk3 Sten with an lpeg gearbox (only box I had lying around unfortunately). Spent about 3 hours on it, got the top tube done, just working on the receiver, had to use wood for that as I`ve no metal lying around, so it might look a bit chunky in that department. The lpeg box is the perfect shape and size, I thought I might have been able to use a mini AEG (mp7) box but its too square at the front. Famas box still looks like the best bet. :)

 
Posted : 14/10/2007 11:03 am
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