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neillblume
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does anyone know of any ww2 specific gun mods which were made for a cqb environment? ie any developments or modifications made to guns by either side t make it less dangerous...
I'm starting work on adapting my mp40...
any ideas and info welcme...



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Posted : 12/07/2007 5:21 pm
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I don't know of any for the MP40, but they did have a curved barrel with mirrors for the MP44 to let you shoot round corners.


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Posted : 12/07/2007 5:24 pm
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Krummlauf was for the MP44, originally designed not for CQB use, but for shooting out of certain armoured vehicles.

Regarding "specific modification", I cant think of any, certainly aint seen any pics at any rate. Best "modification" for CQB is buying a few more magazines :D

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Posted : 12/07/2007 5:29 pm
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The only rela one was the shooting round corners scope made for the mp44.

It was a combination barrel attachment with a slight curve (less than a banana) and a mirror on the sight.

WWII planning didnt factor in house to house fighting too much to be honest.

High command on all but the germn side expected postional warfare like the last clash and armed their troops to reflect this.

Before wwii the enemy was expected to be engaged at about 500 - 1000 metres. Hence really long powerful rifles with big cartrdiges.

Combat experience in russia made the submachinegun invaluable and it wasnt til right at the end of the war that the compromise bettween accuracy and lethality and size and weight was found int he mp44 kurz round.

So really the PPSS, Mp44, and all those non rifle types of fire arms were in themselves FIBUA creations to a degree, or at least in the way they were deployed rather than simply being compact arms for paratroopers or vehicle crew.

Post war studies showed WWII engagment ranges to actually be less than 400metres most the time.

So that was the death of the 'battle rifle' theory which created the m14, SLR, G3 etc and the idea to create the 'assault rifle' for shorter engagements.

So liek i say there were to my knowledge *no* 'CQB mods for SMGs and the likes, they just had to churn out as many as they could as quickly as possible.

The finest WWII CQB mod is sharpening your spade... :)




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Posted : 12/07/2007 5:29 pm
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Or grenades, lot and lots of grenades. Thats what I like to use.

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Posted : 12/07/2007 5:32 pm
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And flamethrowers!

Shame you cant make a bigger charge by bundling airsoft stick grenades together!

In all seriousness i'm toying with looking into having a live role play style foam entrenching tool made, would anybody else want one?




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Posted : 12/07/2007 5:34 pm
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Oh and a sobering note when the British Army trains for fighting in built up areas it factors in up to 70 per cent possible casualties if its *winning* its that brutal.




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Posted : 12/07/2007 5:35 pm
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And bloody hard work, we did training at sennybridge and it nearly killed us.

We could always do it the german way and call in the stukers

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Posted : 12/07/2007 5:39 pm
neillblume
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And flamethrowers!

Shame you cant make a bigger charge by bundling airsoft stick grenades together!

In all seriousness i'm toying with looking into having a live role play style foam entrenching tool made, would anybody else want one?

that sounds like fun gadge...... we could charge the alies withem - watch them run for cover... we could make a dummy flamethrower which sprays water they dont like water that much



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Posted : 12/07/2007 5:39 pm
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Im shure just folding the but under makes it a CQB weapon.

If its passed 9 there is a 95% chance im pissed.

 
Posted : 12/07/2007 5:40 pm
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Neil you know what i've been thinking of using large super soakers as flamethrowers for while, with back pack tanks of water as both 'ammo' and weight penalty.

However we've two stumbling blocks:

1) everyplayer would have to consent to potentially getting their kit soaked.

2) I've yet to see how an aegs fare if it gets a close range direct stream of water in the gubbins... its going to throw your hop off for a while at least i reckon.

But i'd have no objection to it if it was mocked up well , personally thatis, cant speak for the group.

maybe a poll?




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Posted : 12/07/2007 5:45 pm
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Ahem, how strong are your painkillers Gadge? :lol:

 
Posted : 12/07/2007 5:51 pm
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G thought it was a good idea when Jack and i were going to have one at phoenix urban in our Russian team....




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Posted : 12/07/2007 5:54 pm
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Yeah, *he* might have thought it was a good idea, but i'm sure those soaked by it wouldnt have thought so lol

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Posted : 12/07/2007 5:56 pm
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Erm after last event weekend i cant see anybody minding a tiny splash of water....




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Posted : 12/07/2007 6:00 pm
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Erm after last event weekend i cant see anybody minding a tiny splash of water....

Yeah now that was WET !!

 
Posted : 12/07/2007 6:10 pm
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but we would have the advantage of zeltbahns and the americans would go home at the first splash of water



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Posted : 12/07/2007 6:11 pm
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mp 40 had curved barrels availible in three degrees

30 degree
40 degree
and i think the 3rd was 45 degrees

all experimental, onl the 30 degree was made in any numbers.

mp44 had a barrel with a 30 degree DOWNWARD curve, and a mount in the turret roof to allow 360 degree traverse.

it was designed to get infantry that got within the tanks minimum depression angle.

it was mostly used on assault guns though

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Posted : 12/07/2007 9:41 pm
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Late in the war the MP40/II was developed with twin magazines to double the ammo capacity. Once one was empty the second cound be slid across to replace it. I don't think it was very successful though & therefore not that common.

Other than the small magazine capacity (compared to the Ppsh- 41) the MP40 is a pretty ideal CQB weapon being very short with the stock folded but having a decent barrel length, reliable and hook under the barrel designed to assist shooting out of vehicles can be handy too.

 
Posted : 13/07/2007 12:57 pm
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Although german troops preferred the Sten and PPSH, largely as you can fire them prone and expose less of yourself. Soldiers with either small arm that had been captured would tie them too themselves when asleep to prevent them being stolen they were that desired.

The germans later tried to copy the sten but defeated the object by giving it a vertical mag like the mp40

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Posted : 13/07/2007 1:03 pm
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