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Zero Bravo
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Rhineland / Operation Veritable

British 51st Highland Division vs. German 84. Infanterie Division
Date: Saturday 3 September 2011
Venue: Ford Ranges, Yapton, West Sussex
Price: £35

By 18th February 1945 the British 2nd Army was firmly on German soil. It had had fought its way through the Reichswald forest and was facing the town of Goch. Colonel Matussek, the local German commandant, had already declared the town a Festung (fortress) and had made extensive preparations for defending it. This included the construction of a formidable anti-tank ditch and the removal of buildings and foliage that an enemy could use for cover and concealment. The Tommies would have to fight through open fields and bridge the anti-tank defenses in order to allow Allied armour to get through this part of the Siegfried line.

Our event sees a platoon of British infantry tasked with neutralizing the German defences surrounding the town and bridging their anti-tank ditch. To do this they will have to overcome minefields and a line of resistance that includes multiple MG emplacements with interlocking fields of fire.

The German defenders are a mixed bunch, ranging from crack paratroopers of FJR 2 to the newly formed Volkssturm civil defence units. For every battle hardened Grenadier there is a Landser from the the 276 “Magen” Bataillon, a reserve unit made up soldiers with chronic digestive ailments.

The airsoft game will be part of a wider 1940s weekend event being run by Ford Ranges that will include steam engines, hogroast and a beer tent




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Topic starter Posted : 02/07/2011 8:55 am
Universal Gunner
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"During the North-West Europe campaign 51st (Highland) Division had suffered a total of 19,524 battle casualties"

Oh dear...

I have a small skewer hidden in the collar of my jumping jacket, and a razorblade in my gaiter, as well as my knife.

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Posted : 02/07/2011 11:25 am
Hänschen klein
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Rhineland / Operation Veritable

For every battle hardened Grenadier there is a Landser from the the 276 “Magen” Bataillon, a reserve unit made up soldiers with chronic digestive ailments.

ummmmm Dodgey Curry it is then the night before

Nice one Jimbo I guess a provisional 9 of for the Germans then.
Bring on the booking thread





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Posted : 02/07/2011 7:36 pm
dadio
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better put me an ma bren on the brit side ,that should make it equal

armoury
m1a1 Thompson,sten mk2,mp40,stg44,sterling,mk2 bren gun,lee Enfield no4 mk1,Mauser Kar98, Walther ppk,smith and Weston m10 and Mauser m712
Give me a big enough hammer and a place to stand and I could fix the world.
i'll kill a man in a fair fight or if i think he's going to start a fair fight or over a woman or.......
a problem shared is a problem halved ,but an advantage shared is no advantage at all
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Posted : 02/07/2011 9:25 pm
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better put me an ma bren on the brit side ,that should make it equal

Not sure if I mentioned the feedback from someone on the receiving end of your gunning at Giogo -

"Dadio's Bren was a pain in the arse - It's blindingly accurate and he really knows how to use it"

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Posted : 03/07/2011 4:13 pm
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Rhineland / Operation Veritable

For every battle hardened Grenadier there is a Landser from the the 276 “Magen” Bataillon, a reserve unit made up soldiers with chronic digestive ailments.

ummmmm Dodgey Curry it is then the night before

Nice one Jimbo I guess a provisional 9 of for the Germans then.
Bring on the booking thread

I think that we've scored another WW2 airsoft first by choosing an "also ran" unit remembered for halitosis and chronic shits rather than keeping it l33T

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Posted : 03/07/2011 4:17 pm
dadio
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better put me an ma bren on the brit side ,that should make it equal

Not sure if I mentioned the feedback from someone on the receiving end of your gunning at Giogo -

"Dadio's Bren was a pain in the arse - It's blindingly accurate and he really knows how to use it"

cant take all the credit,its like the old joke" we cheated,there were two bren teams" and im sure barry and ann also made merry with there's

armoury
m1a1 Thompson,sten mk2,mp40,stg44,sterling,mk2 bren gun,lee Enfield no4 mk1,Mauser Kar98, Walther ppk,smith and Weston m10 and Mauser m712
Give me a big enough hammer and a place to stand and I could fix the world.
i'll kill a man in a fair fight or if i think he's going to start a fair fight or over a woman or.......
a problem shared is a problem halved ,but an advantage shared is no advantage at all
if a job's not worth doing then its certainly not worth doing well





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Posted : 03/07/2011 9:16 pm
 Yith
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It's the same weekend as the Victory Show, so I can't get... but I hope it goes well!

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Posted : 03/07/2011 9:28 pm
dadio
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found this if anybody wants a read about the real events http://www.bills-bunker.de/65990.html

armoury
m1a1 Thompson,sten mk2,mp40,stg44,sterling,mk2 bren gun,lee Enfield no4 mk1,Mauser Kar98, Walther ppk,smith and Weston m10 and Mauser m712
Give me a big enough hammer and a place to stand and I could fix the world.
i'll kill a man in a fair fight or if i think he's going to start a fair fight or over a woman or.......
a problem shared is a problem halved ,but an advantage shared is no advantage at all
if a job's not worth doing then its certainly not worth doing well





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Posted : 03/07/2011 9:38 pm
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In case anyone is interested, as I am checking my stock in and thought of y'all, I have a few copies of "Operation Plunder: The British and Canadian Rhine Crossing (ISBN: 978-1844152216)" available, which chaps on this forum can have for £7.50.

I have checked and it does cover Operation Veritable.

Hope not too out of order mentioning this on your thread fellows, and if anyone is interested then just drop me a PM.

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Posted : 07/07/2011 2:02 pm
marsha
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ill be up for this one





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Posted : 07/07/2011 4:35 pm
fremsley
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Rhineland / Operation Veritable

For every battle hardened Grenadier there is a Landser from the the 276 “Magen” Bataillon, a reserve unit made up soldiers with chronic digestive ailments.

ummmmm Dodgey Curry it is then the night before

Nice one Jimbo I guess a provisional 9 of for the Germans then.
Bring on the booking thread

I think that we've scored another WW2 airsoft first by choosing an "also ran" unit remembered for halitosis and chronic shits rather than keeping it l33T

I recall an episode of QI where Stephen Fry mention the 'Stomach Battalions'.

http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forum ... opic=92448

WW2 airsofters imitate real events again!

I'm a hero with coward's legs.

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Posted : 07/07/2011 11:08 pm
Hänschen klein
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Found this similar to the one Jimbo posted but has different footage

http://www.itnsource.com/shotlist//BHC_ ... 40021/?s=*





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Posted : 16/07/2011 8:42 am
Universal Gunner
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Cough...

re the British Forces - are they from any particular regiment/battalion? Any corps units?

Too anal? Sorry.

Charlie

I have a small skewer hidden in the collar of my jumping jacket, and a razorblade in my gaiter, as well as my knife.

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Posted : 21/07/2011 11:07 pm
Gorgeo5
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Been watching World at War box set, and one of the British interviewees, said that they named the old men who were about his age (no idea what that is) the Stomach Battalions, because they all had stomach problems. He also said that they were just "On Guard duty"

so would they be sort of an early for of Volksturm???

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Posted : 31/07/2011 5:02 pm
Steiner
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No, not really. Volksturm were literally old men and boys - those civilians who were too old or young to be in the army proper. And remember that by the end of the war, the age limits had already been stretched, compared with those in 1939.

The "stomach" batallions were army men who would have been declared unfit for service during peacetime.


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Posted : 31/07/2011 5:58 pm
Gorgeo5
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Ive been doing some reading and found this, for those who are interested...-- attachment is not available ---- attachment is not available --

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Posted : 05/08/2011 9:52 am
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Rhineland / Operation Veritable

British 51st Highland Division vs. German 84. Infanterie Division
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June 6, 1944 - the Allies landed in Normandy. As the units embattled there were slowly being ground to dust, Hitler continued to believe that another, larger invasion was going to land in the Pas-de-Calais area where a large number of German units, including the 84th, were stationed. One of the first units destroyed in the fight for the beach-head was Fritz's old crowd from the 716th Infantry Division. Slowly, it became apparent that the Normandy invasion was the invasion and additional forces were moved into the fighting from their positions elsewhere in France, but too late. The 84th was moved in against the British and was caught up in the disastrous fighting around Falaise.

In the battle of what became known as the "Falaise Pocket", the Allies trapped and virtually annihilated most of the German 7th Army. The zebra-striped Allied aircraft strafed, rocketed, and bombed the target-rich terrain in the pocket at will. When the battle finally ended, the Allies marched a long column of prisoners out of a region where the roads were clogged for miles with destroyed German rolling stock and the roadsides and fields were literally carpeted with animal and human dead.

The 84th was totally destroyed in this battle, even its commanding general was among the captured. Almost all of the division's heavy equipment was lost. and only about 1,000 men evaded death or capture. Among the lucky few who somehow managed to escape the pocket was Leutnant Fritz Schulz. He was one fo the lucky 10%.

The normal routine for treatment of fragmented divisions was to remove them to a safe area and rebuild them with recruits and new weapons. In the late summer of 1944, however, the Reich was threatened with a crisis of huge proportions: the front in France was not merely retreating, it had dissolved, and the Allied Armies were racing for the Rhine. Rather than methodical rebuilding, many surviving units were hastily reinforced with whatever manpower could be found: Landesschutzen (home defense) units, Luftwaffe Festungs- (fortress) units, NCO schools, Ersatz units, etc.. This is what happened to the 84th as it was hurried into a sector of the Siegfried line in the Eifel mountains near the Huertgen Forest for a brief period at the end of August. The Feldersatzbatallion was long gone by this time (it disappeared in the early part of the division's employment in Normandy), so presumably Fritz was performing some other duty, perhaps as the leader of some ad-hoc infantry group. Officers were in short supply and even medical officers were sometimes found leading combat elements, so the likelihood of Fritz avoiding line duty during this period was remote.

Early in September, the division was moved to Venlo in Holland for planned rebuilding, and then to a site on the German-Dutch border to the north. As fate would have it, this second area was just south-east of a town called Nijmegen. The small remnants of the 84th were still awaiting rebuilding when "Operation Market-Garden" was launched on September 17. After battling the US 82nd Airborne Division until it almost ceased to exist, the 84th was pulled back into Germany to the Kleve area and began to receive the long awaited reinforcements in October. Now stationed inside Germany, it was time for the legal arm of the Wehrmacht to educate its members against some of the consequences of fighting in one's own homeland: a notation in Fritz's Soldbuch dated October 21 states that he was educated about "Plundering". This "education" probably contained much the same material as found in a small pamphlet put out by the Army High Command in September: in short, the soldiers were told --

"Taking stuff from civilians has always been unworthy of a German soldier, but up to now it has always been in an occupied country. Now you are in Germany, and if we catch you plundering here, we're going to shoot you."

It was also at this time that Fritz received his last permanent assignment, this time to Füsilier Batallion 84. This unit had been rebuilt from personnel assigned to the same facility that trained Fritz to be an officer: the instructors, staff, and students of the Wahn school were first converted into an infantry regiment called 'Regiment Wahn', and the First Battalion of this outfit eventually became the Füsilier Battalion in the 84th Division. It could have been the stuff from which novels are made: a sadistic senior NCO who was an instructor for the future officers at Wahn winds up in Fritz's company. Or worse yet, an officer ex-instructor who was a pain in the ass at the school winds up as Fritz's CO!

After being somewhat rebuilt, the division was back on the line west of the Reichswald, opposing the British and Canadians who were advancing in that region. In November, Fritz was awarded the Kriegsverdienstkreuz mit Schwerten, II Klasse (War Merits Cross with Swords, Second Class). Fritz carried the small card-stock award document, folded the placed in the back of his Soldbuch. Fritz received his award from divisional headquarters, and not the battalion itself; the document was signed by the divisional adjutant who was a Major. This was not the normal procedure for this level of that award, so we can presume that whatever Fritz did to earn it, he probably did it at battalion HQ level or as part of communications or liason.

In February of 1945, the division bore the brunt of another one of Monty's attacks, this one called "Operation Veritable." It has since become known as the "Battle of the Reichswald": and has become a byword for destructive battles in the British Army. Using the newest offensive tactics and overwhelming amounts of support firepower(Dadio's Bren? ), Montgomery launched an attack which was ultimately hampered by the weather and mauled by unexpectedly heavy German resistance. The focal point of this attack happened to be the sector guarded by the 84th. The division was decimated in this battle, and the 1051st Grenadier Regiment and the Füsilier Battalion were recorded as the divisional units most heavily engaged. The division finished this battle this battle at battlegroup strength, attached to the 116th Panzer Division. As the survivors marched south, they probably wondered if the Allies didn't have a grudge against their particular division; first Falaise, then paratroopers in their laps at Nijmegen, now this brutal British offensive/

Any one have more info on the 84th?

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Posted : 14/08/2011 11:08 pm
fremsley
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Well I think a diginified German surrender now is indicated to avoid any unpleasantness. Then its off to the officers mess for a Chota peg!

I'm a hero with coward's legs.

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Posted : 16/08/2011 2:22 pm
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