I don't think it will be perceived as such - more like working together surely? Assuming PBI go for similar numbers then there is a game in Spring for 20 Brits, 20 Yanks and 40 Axis so everyone should be happy.
Deffo launch straight after D-Day - 40 players is good, over-nighting is a good plan (I believe there is a barn we can use?).
I don't think it will be perceived as such - more like working together surely? Assuming PBI go for similar numbers then there is a game in Spring for 20 Brits, 20 Yanks and 40 Axis so everyone should be happy.
Deffo launch straight after D-Day - 40 players is good, over-nighting is a good plan (I believe there is a barn we can use?).
Hopefully not , I didn't want it to look like we were excluding people . TBH I'm sure G/Y will appreciatethe historical reason !
Just had the following convo -
Hi Rich
Just a short note to say we're thinking of using our booking at UCAP to run a post DDay game , namely Op Cobra . Historically this was a yank vs german battle, so we're thinking of keeping it Yanks only, esp if you are going to run a brit only Varsity at the end of the month .
We thought to run it by you first incase you thought we were being anti brit which is not the intention .Guy
The only issue I see is that we had Operation Varsity planned for running at F&O in March and it feels like you've jumped on the date... even though you were probably not aware of it.
Right now I'm in two minds about getting yank kit... A week ago I was considering it, at the moment I'm more interested in getting ruskie (if anything).. I watched Enemy at the Gates on Saturday night, lol...
I can 100% understand why you're going for this... It does seem unfair to run Brit only events without US only ones to counter them... Mind you the Dec 16th Event is also technically a US only one... I'm getting in with Brit kit on a shoestring of an excuse!
I'd appreciate it if you'd keep this under wraps until we have a date for Operation Varsity, then we can advertise both events together.
I sense that advertising a US only event as the only one in the New Year could derail some of the progress we've achieved with PBI so far.
No probs , we'll keep stumm for a while . Agree we need to make our games complimentary
BTW The date was made known after I met with Josh on the 26th Sept . At the time IIRC Gadge was unsure where/when Varsity was going to take place. It is possble we could pull back the game into Feb with some manouvering with Josh if really needs be.
We also had the same thoughts about being good for a just for Yanks game as we've had combined ops for a while now
No rush ot go public, and we can discuss with both Gadge and Josh at DDay . Pulling it into Feb might not be such a bad idea .
lol... we could have had that discussion on here rather than pms!
lol... we could have had that discussion on here rather than pms!
Yes we could but after a couple of posts expressing my concerns you hadn't replied 
hence the pms . 
Sure, if moving date is OK with Josh then it matters not a jot (even though Y&G knew you'd booked the date!)
However, no dilly-dallying - we (CiA & PBI) must make it clear that something is organised else others (Spiers 
, the Scottish game, & whatever Ben is up to) will get in first and there will be dates clashing.
Yith/Gadge - have you got a firm booking date yet?
Nope I've only briefly mentioned this to Justin at F&O, whilst playing a game... With the upcoming plans that F&O have with regards to the Dec 16th game I've not really broached the subject too much and wasn't planning to until after then!
OK, I don't want to wait until after the middle of December before publicising the CiA game.
If your date is only muted and ours is booked would it be a problem shifting the PBI game forward or back a month?
3 months in advance was how we always did it before...
One problem we have right now is that the person we'll be working through for F&O is Major and he's in hospital... so we need to wait for him to reappear anyway!
3 months in advance was how we always did it before...
To a degree we feel post DDay there will be a bit of a vacuum for CiA games , and the date from Josh was grabbed opportunistically after a pub lunch !
Well agreed, Guy... but we need to put more thought into this...
Sorry for the late reply here.
I'd not been able to view or post in this section for some reason.
Erm as for Varsity, well there are three reasons why we'd like to do it brits only at F&O in march.
1) the f&o terrain would be great for what we want to do.
2) we've already told a lot of PBI players that the first PBI game is in march.
3) Op varisty was in March 45 about the 24th, we'd liked to have done a 'anniversary game'
The reason we want to do brits only is twofold.
First pbi centres on british actions, by putting on great games where you have to play brits more people will buy in to take part and we can have a bit less of this 'combined operations' stuff which is historically accurate on the big picture but not at small unit level, not so common, the other bonus to this is that the esprit de corp of all being in the same kit *is* massive and great appeal to players, if you think i'm just banging on about it again have a look at how popular the interest has been in doing it, contrary to rallying against kit restrictions the players seem to want boundaries.
Secondly and more importantly, where as some previous cia games (with an exception of Wotan and CR) have been macro and tried to encompass an entire battle or even operation/campaign into eight hours (you know like BotB where this tree represent the village of troi ponts etc, you five men are a company etc) - PBI games will be more 'micro' a platoon will be just that, a kilometre is a kilometre etc.
We'll be looking at doing a single day in the battle between the ox and bucks and a platoon of panzer grenadier, not historically too accurate either as platton rarely fought platoon but just a different take on things.
I think both macro and micro approaches are fine and required in the calander but i prefer the latter.
So to sumarise we were hoping to do a slightly more 'historcial' memorial of varsity at the hsitorically right time so the guys coudl imagine what a day of patrolling/fighting/recce was like for the lads of the 6th airborne or the 116th panzer. Be nice for them to think back 62 years rather than 'think back 62 years and three weeks....'
So it woudl be good to have varisty on its historical date, i'm really wary about having two games within a month, players only have so much money and or time away from their family, these games are events they look forwards too, although we think we wont split allies some like barrie and anne do both us and uk and even the germans are not *that* numerous that we can epect them to do two shows in one month.
(if you look at the ammount of players who have got or are dong their airborne kit for PBI its a large chunk of the allied section, one or two germans, some major stalwarts liek webby and few US swap overs 'rhysd'.)
Obviously your call what you do but I'd hate to have to tell people who already know its F&O in march that its not now.
"I think we are in rats' alley - Where the dead men lost their bones."
Bloody hell Rich, could you make the pics in your signature any larger?
When we were a Kingdom it was run by a King
When we were an Empire it was run by an Empress
Now we're a country we're run by a..........
Kermit... sure! 
I just copied the same one I was using on the re-enacting forums... on there its a pretty standard size...
I must admit I considered reducing it a little... heh
No probs with you running Varsity as all Brits, your games your rules, and matching hisotrical and games dates is a fave of mine as well
Also no probs with trying to avoid a clash on dates , however the Q really is have you confirmed a date as yet ? We'll discuss at DDay more as we can also discuss dates with Josh at hte same time .
We have nothing definite as regards dates yet... but we'd like to run it in March as that is when it happened.
Gadge - cool on the Brits only and the proposed game sounds fantastic. Our Yanks only for our game will be a perfect balance to cover all players with whatever kit they have.
However, if you do want a March game then you surely you must commit and book the site (regardless of Major's health) as it directly impinges on a CiA game.
As we have said, there is no problem bringing ours forward to fit round PBI but that means even more imperative for getting a definite commitment from you - if the March date doesn't transpire we'll have lost a warmer month!
Well we've said 'late march for wwii' to the f&o guys in conversation and had a good reception but we havnt had a formal meeting about it, just convos at the nam day.
We can get on this asap.
Is joshs site only available in march?
"I think we are in rats' alley - Where the dead men lost their bones."
Hence why I suggest that we wait on this for a while. At least until we can get back in touch with Major and find out what is going on.
If then we find that we need to actually directly contact Jamie, then that's fine.
There is no need to rush this one.
