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ok, so i read an ealier link about converting an M4 into an MG34/42 and liked the idea, so i began browsing for MG42 barrel covers ( it wud be easier than making my own)

and i come across a real .30 cal barrel cover for £25 and i want to try make a .30 cal because this site is a deac specialist and iv bought from there before (iv got a bren mk2)

the thing is i need help with things like the box mags and stuff, and i need almost every dimension for it to draw up technical pictures etc to compare it with my M4 but i cant seem to find any

im planning on mounting the barrel cover over the barrel of my stripped down M$ barrel, then im going to buy a M4 box mag and maybe put a part of belt with dummy rounds going 2into2 the gun. the sights are easy enough becuase iv found some for sale and put on reserve

the main probelm is the bolt mechanism and trying to make my M4 look more boxlike

anyone got any ideas?? :lol:

Rob


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Posted : 06/12/2008 6:44 pm
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Check out the US WW2 site. There's a guy there just built an unbelievably good .50 cal and m1917 .30 - check out the armoury section on their site for more info.


 
Posted : 06/12/2008 8:55 pm
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ask oddball, he has made an no-fireing replica and a airsoft M1919A4 30.cal machine gun. :wink:


 
Posted : 06/12/2008 10:12 pm
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Check out this thread viewtopic.php?f=13&t=5829&start=0 oddball has posted a link to his plans for a 30 cal :good:




 
Posted : 07/12/2008 10:42 am
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cheers everyone, this is going to be my first project and will only really get going nce i have the materials and drawings for it, ill try get some pics up after christmas when i start it. (but only if it goes well :P )


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Posted : 07/12/2008 11:51 am
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Hey, M4 will not be suitable because of the position of the gearbox, there are only 3 guns suitable for this conversion, either a M249 Saw, P90 (with barrel extension) OR an M14. I am currently making a 30. out of plastic and wood, its pretty simple really but if you try and do it with an M4 you're going to run in to problems...firstly, the boxmags on 30.Cals sat at the side of them not underneath (I thought of this also) the other option is making an AN2 Modified Aircraft machinegun. These were converted by the Marines for use as a squad support weapon in favour over the 30.Cal and they had the boxmag fitted underneath.
The other problem is, with an M4 the gearbox sticks vertically down, I had the same problem when I considered using an AK74 to make my 30.Cal. The gearbox will stick down out of the bottom.
Just a few pointers, looks like you're running in to the same problems as me, also I would recommend Oddballs plans, they're very simple and easy to follow and the end product looks brilliant!

Goodluck! If you have any questions, I'm happy to help.


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Posted : 07/12/2008 12:08 pm
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yea, you've got some good points there, and seeming as iv bought no parts as of yet, it is not totally impossible to change the project slightly..........

would converting it to an StG44 be out of the question?? ( the main problem i see is the mag for the M4 isnt big enough or curved enough)


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Posted : 07/12/2008 12:18 pm
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I don't know about that, I don't do German lol if it's an M4 that you have and that's why you want to base it on that then I'm not sure, as I don't know a WW2 gun that is around the same shape...
Generally I believe that normal STG44 conversions are done from AK's...because they're basically the same gun.


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Posted : 07/12/2008 1:03 pm
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Thats true, the AK is eaven based on the Stg-44.


 
Posted : 07/12/2008 1:11 pm
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May I suggest that you rethink you're plans as the M4 is a pretty poo base for a conversion anyway. If you want to make a 30.Cal then it is well worth it, it looks brilliant and could be used for modern airsofting as well if you really wanted to. The best thing about it is the fact that it is SO simple, it's a box section with a tube coming out. For the sake of buying one of the other guns, which shouldn't cost too much I would still consider making it, especially since you haven't bought any parts yet.


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Posted : 07/12/2008 1:19 pm
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The reason i thought .30 cal is because i want a proper ww2 airsoft gun. But because of the VCR Bill i cant get one(.....yet ;) ) so my best bet is to convert one.

the M4 i got cost me £10 from a friend, and it cost him about £30 from a website.......so perhaps the internals would be pretty crap because its a budget gun.

Iv seen some WW2 Airsoft vids posted on youtube by "scoutthedoggie" ( i really reccomend them because you see m1 carbines, m1 garands, mp44s, mg42s theyre awesome) and i want to start up making up a ww2 kit and im not sure which 'faction' to go, im probably going to go german because the uniforms and weapons look better.

I could get a Lee enfield wood stock made which would hold my jg bar 10 (clone of the popular TM Vsr 10) so i could have a bolt action sniper rifle...but i expect it would be a really high price as its not a popular item


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Posted : 07/12/2008 6:25 pm
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PROJECT ON HOLD, CURRENTLY PAYING FOR WOOD LEE ENFIELD SMLE STOCK


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Posted : 07/12/2008 8:32 pm
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Here's the lnk to the US forum posting... http://ww2aa.proboards45.com/index.cgi? ... hread=4196


 
Posted : 07/12/2008 9:53 pm
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Alternatively if you have a donor M14 you could go the route I'm planning to go:

http://www.air-sharp.com/hey19BUILD.html

These guys will even CNC the parts and send them ready to assemble. I'm almost tempted to do their 2 for 1 deal whereby if you buy the $60 minigun plans they throw in the 1919 plans for free. Luvverly :good:


 
Posted : 09/12/2008 7:51 pm
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It's not a bad idea, BUT you're relying on glue to hold it together during an airsoft game? That's why I used wood and lots of screws.
It looks like a giant airfix kit!


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Posted : 09/12/2008 8:46 pm
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Might wanna try the CA33 for a MP44 conversion, they have a very similar mag.


 
Posted : 12/12/2008 12:04 pm
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well the whole project is on hold for the time bieng, gotta get the money for a lee enfield no4 stock :)

Rob


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Posted : 13/12/2008 1:44 pm
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If you go on to the thread named Plastic and Wood 30.Cal then it will tell you how to make one for under £200, including the M14 internals to go in to it. Really quite simply to do, if you're still interested. It seems like you don't quite know which load out to go for...


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Posted : 13/12/2008 2:24 pm
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precicley, i think i shud just go have a good long think about what i want to do, how im gunna do it, and what i need

Rob


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Posted : 13/12/2008 3:31 pm
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right, iv come to the decision that im going to follow Spiers example and make mine using wood ( got a whole shed of wood work stuff, but no metal), iv got the designs, most of the materials.

But iv got the crappest guns to use, namely the M4 or AK47 ( and from what iv read about those guns for this project..........not good) so looks like im going to have to buy a Well P90 with a not-very-handsome 210fps (any upgrade ideas??)for about £35 as the donor

Dont expect much news soon, bieng 15 iv still got school to focus on first and foremost :( :( :( :(

Thanks everyone

Rob


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Posted : 27/12/2008 4:47 pm
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