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ww2stu
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I thought it might be a good idea to have a "sticky" in place so where we all know where we stand with the law with our custom builds, and a place that we can refer too for guidance. There are so many builds out there of WW2 guns (especially in America) where they may be able to use parts which are restriced in the UK.

So the point of this thread would be:

To specify what real steel parts you can or cannot use in the UK, prefarably with a link or a few lines of txt explaining that relevant law.

To ask questions on any "unclear" parts, and to hopefully get the correct answer again with a few lines of txt explaining the law(s) covering it. Example questions could be "Is using a front sight of a deactivated weapon for my build breaking the law?" or "Can i use RS mags for my airsoft coversion?"

The reason why i have posted this is because its very easy to get carried away with a build, as was mentioned on a now deleted thread that the Gas / Clylinder block for a M1 Garand may be an illegal part to own of which many people wishing to make m14 conversions may of gone out and already of brought.

If there is any disputes between any items please use relevent external links to enforce what you are saying, and please no arguements lets keep this thread as clean as possible as it may just keep you out of trouble with the law.

 
Posted : 12/03/2011 11:38 pm
Joseph Porta
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i think its a pointless thread really mate, and its been done to death so many times :lol:

someone quoted it once, and no one agreed on the interpretation of it

the laws are so vauge, and different forces, and even different officers can interpert it in different ways

i know of someone :rofl: with a real steel de act, thats had an aeg put inside it , that have been inspected by police (firearms unit) and been told, "its ok mate"

because doing the conversion totally screwed the gun up beyond any kind of reactivation, way beyond what the proof house had done (all they were arsed about was, can it fire real ammunition)

if its in a deact, it cant fire hence its de act certificate, so its innert parts and safe to own / use

but if its not a deact part
gas parts, breech blocks, revolver cylenders and the like, then there illegal to own anyway, whether or not you use them on an aeg

no clear facts statement or laws here, but 1st hand experiance by a member of the forum

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Posted : 13/03/2011 1:32 am
ww2stu
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It may of been done to death 100 times before but as rules or guidelines to follow it may be usefull as CIA continues to grow so do the custom builds, and like i said there is no sticky or fixed rules or guidlenes accessable on the forum.

You make some good points around the "converted deac" but a very different outcome could of easily happened in that situation can we agree on that? :good:

So back on to topic, i take it then that a deactivated garand must have something amended to the Gas Block to make it legal to own? Anyone with one care to share there findings if they have one?

 
Posted : 13/03/2011 1:58 am
Chomley-Warner
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FYI the threads weren't deleted, just removed elsewhere pending some decision taking!

I think the fundamental problem is it is hard to be definitive. Sure, you can quote all sorts of bits of legislation but decisions of offence are made in the courts, not by forums, lawyers and least of all policemen. There is much folklore out there to be sure but most is well intentioned and I'd say generally takes the 'safest' angle. Most of us don't want to have hassle with the police or endure the ignominy of have a house searched and hours/days wasted at police stations or the expense of legal advice, let along being summoned to court and risking a hefty fine at best or a prison sentence at worst. All just because you wanted to make a toy gun? :slap:

It's a bit like finding 'loopholes' or other ways around the VCRA - the legislation doesn't have to be explicit and cover every minor eventuality. It's intention and purpose is clear, and this is what should matter to most. Follow the spirit of the law and there is no way you can get into trouble, there is no risk or doubt. Whether we think a law is stupid/defies logic/pointless or just plain daft is neither here nor there!

Anyway, this forum won't tolerate posters stating they have broken the law for the protection of the poster as well as preventing encouraging others to take the same path (unless there is a VERY good reason behind the posting). This forum IS accessed by the 'authorities' who will waste no time in using the RIPA to gather evidence. Of course, all of the above is aimed at UK forum users, those overseas will have different legislation to work to and from now on moderators will be making clear posters country of origin if it isn't immediately apparent from the post.

 
Posted : 13/03/2011 8:18 am
oddball
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Just say away from modifying anything with a de-activation certificate is the rule of thumb 8)
Most of what I make is home made parts to look as close as I can be bothered.

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Posted : 13/03/2011 9:22 am
Graeme
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Regarding modifying deactivated weapons: A deactivated weapon reverts to its original status on modification - if it was a bolty it becomes a section 1, if it was a handgun, mg, or self loading weapon, it becomes a section 5. Individual parts CANNOT be sold or used as deactivated parts, certificates ONLY cover the a complete weapon.

Pressure baring parts are also illegal, assuming you don't have a license and reason for having them. Most common one we'll see here is people with real steel M1 gas tubes on their M1's. Ironically, they are ridiculously easy to import, and often customs will even look at them and not give a monkey's!

FWIW - with regards to my SVT40 thread that went tits up yesterday, I'm going to talk to my local firearms liason officer about the part in question, if they are not happy with it, I'll have it destroyed and build a replica.

*edit* - part has been destroyed as per various peoples advice.

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Tanaka Kar98(1942 woodwork and parts), M1 Garand AEG(1940's woodwork and metalwork), MG34, SVT40, Mosin Nagant M44, MP40, PPSH41, Luger and PPK.

 
Posted : 13/03/2011 10:20 am
ww2stu
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Regarding modifying deactivated weapons: A deactivated weapon reverts to its original status on modification - if it was a bolty it becomes a section 1, if it was a handgun, mg, or self loading weapon, it becomes a section 5. Individual parts CANNOT be sold or used as deactivated parts, certificates ONLY cover the a complete weapon.

Pressure baring parts are also illegal, assuming you don't have a license and reason for having them. Most common one we'll see here is people with real steel M1 gas tubes on their M1's. Ironically, they are ridiculously easy to import, and often customs will even look at them and not give a monkey's!

FWIW - with regards to my SVT40 thread that went tits up yesterday, I'm going to talk to my local firearms liason officer about the part in question, if they are not happy with it, I'll have it destroyed and build a replica.

I think having a good relationship with a local firearms lisason officer is always a good idea. He would probably be very happy you going to him and discussing it. This though again can be different in every county! Please let us know how you get on.

 
Posted : 13/03/2011 11:49 am
Graeme
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Will do, have had dealings with them in the past with regards to section 1 stuff and sound moderators with minimal problems.

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My armoury;
Tanaka Kar98(1942 woodwork and parts), M1 Garand AEG(1940's woodwork and metalwork), MG34, SVT40, Mosin Nagant M44, MP40, PPSH41, Luger and PPK.

 
Posted : 13/03/2011 11:53 am
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