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dave barrett
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Hi all..Before i post on the wanted section would just like some advices on what donor..I'm hoping to build a MG15/MG17 I have a MG34 barrel so just need suitable donor..it will be fitted in to a 222 turret so will be mostly out of sight.
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Posted : 11/03/2011 11:36 am
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Hmmm, looks a toughy. Mainly because the receiver of the MG15 is so thin around the pistol grip area, and the magazine position is so far forward in relation to it. I would honestly suggest a cheap second hand STEN, with the inner barrel lengthened through your MG34 barrel. It's got a very similar round profile receiver. Just remove the stock, add a wooden pistol grip just behind the trigger and a period looking C-mag to modified magwell area (perhaps even having the feed still from the left-hand side - as the STEN - with the rounds being fed from the left mag drum and a battery stored in the right mag drum?).

The MG17 looks a bit easier as it's got quite a large tubular receiver that any low profile gearbox could be hid inside. Perhaps graft up a larger tubular bodywork around a G3 or extended MP5 receiver?


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Posted : 11/03/2011 12:59 pm
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If you`re willing to allow for a few inaccuracies, an ak receiver would probably be the easiest. Loose the top cover and battery tray, and slot a length of round tubing over the receiver to get the mg15 look. You can get c mags to fit an ak, but it would be underslung and closer to the trigger area. 8)


 
Posted : 11/03/2011 1:12 pm
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If you`re willing to allow for a few inaccuracies, an ak receiver would probably be the easiest. Loose the top cover and battery tray, and slot a length of round tubing over the receiver to get the mg15 look. You can get c mags to fit an ak, but it would be underslung and closer to the trigger area. 8)

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Beat me to it.

I bet the AK C mag could have a mod to down feed.


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Posted : 11/03/2011 1:25 pm
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thats a real tough one,a sten and a lot of artistic liscence or if you feel brave and dont want to compromise the design so much a ksc mac 11 gas blowback system would fit the profile ,its something ive been toying wirth for another project i have in mind where there is not space for an aeg gearbox.power is around 300 fps with a 3inc barrel would be better with a longer barrel,insane rate of fire and they are easy to strip and remove all the working parts,you would have to have a gas tank in the mag.i was even planning on a multi resovior tank easily switchable to overcome cool down.


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Posted : 11/03/2011 7:11 pm
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Let me know if you need parts for this. I've got a few M14 gearboxes and a twitchy KSC M11 I can let go if needed.

Good luck on the project

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Posted : 12/03/2011 9:05 am
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Please dont use an ak :(


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Posted : 12/03/2011 1:12 pm
dave barrett
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Please dont use an ak :(

Hi Graeme..is that in a good way or bad.



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Posted : 12/03/2011 1:25 pm
Graeme
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Using an AK would be bad in my opinion. Looks crap(or 'farby' as reenactors may say). Thats just my opinion though. I don't get where people see the similarities of MG's to AK's personally. If you're going to do something, do it to the best of your ability at all times. I'm sure most people can do better than sticking a front end on an AK and calling it something it quite clearly isn't!


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Posted : 12/03/2011 1:33 pm
dave barrett
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Thanks for your replies..as its going to be mostly hidden in a turret i think i'll go with a AK..also i have a gas firing 20mm cannon..there's enough room down the barrel to fit a 8mm barrel..now it don't matter what the working parts look like for this as they will be hidden in the cannons breach..any ideas folks



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Posted : 12/03/2011 1:45 pm
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My point in using an AK is for the gearbox and grip mostly just like making a MG42. The rest of the gun I would dump.

http://www.deactivated-guns.co.uk/detail/mg15_2.htm

As it is vehicle mounting you don't have to worry about where to fit the battery.

It is essentially a long pipe with a grip so the motor has to be somewhere unless it is gas so the grip is the obvious place.


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Posted : 12/03/2011 2:19 pm
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Dave, have a look at this thread, the chap used an AK to make an mg34 so you should be able to do something similar for an MG15/17..http://www.ww2airsoft.org.uk/php/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=11515


 
Posted : 12/03/2011 3:21 pm
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Using an AK would be bad in my opinion. Looks crap(or 'farby' as reenactors may say). Thats just my opinion though. I don't get where people see the similarities of MG's to AK's personally. If you're going to do something, do it to the best of your ability at all times. I'm sure most people can do better than sticking a front end on an AK and calling it something it quite clearly isn't!

tinys MG 42 , with AK inside :D
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Posted : 12/03/2011 10:08 pm
McVickers
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it can be done and NOT look farby

It certainly can be done and not look farby... ...for an MG34 or MG42 which have large boxy recievers :roll:

We're talking about MG15s here; which have thin tubular receivers, like STEN.
Perhaps the Ver3 gearbox from an AK (or any other Ver3 based gun) would be able to fit inside a thin tubular reciever*, but nothing else of the AK reciever body itself.

*["Scratchbuild Master" 'Dadio' has proven this with his latest Sterling builds elsewhere on this forum.]


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Posted : 13/03/2011 11:58 am
slick63
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McV, once all the junk is removed from an ak receiver it`s surprisingly compact. This pic is from the thread I mentioned before. :good:


 
Posted : 13/03/2011 2:26 pm
Graeme
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And then you go stick a modern drum mag on the bottom of it...where is the FACEPALM smiley...


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Posted : 13/03/2011 2:48 pm
slick63
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And then you go stick a modern drum mag on the bottom of it...where is the FACEPALM smiley...

Your posts are becoming very tiresome, for someone who is willing to break the law to build toy guns it might be better if you wind your neck in a bit. :roll:


 
Posted : 13/03/2011 3:00 pm
oddball
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One big reason I would use an AK is they are cheap, I just could not bring myself to pull a nice Sten to bits.
You can also just buy the AK gearbox as I have done and make a top feed hop unit.


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Posted : 13/03/2011 8:45 pm
Graeme
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Agreed with the above, and if space is an issue in the receiver, the AK gearbox is versatile, gut the switching gear out it(working on the assumption being an MG, it doesn't need to do semi auto), and remove the section of gearbox which contained the switching gear. Run your wiring through a micro switch for a trigger, straight to the motor. Gearbox is ON, or OFF! This is how I had to do my mg34, working within the external measurements of an MG34, as that is what jay had milled the receiver based on.


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Posted : 13/03/2011 9:27 pm
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Dave, I included a spare Type 3 gearbox with upgraded inner parts when I sold you the MG42.

Have you used that for something else?


 
Posted : 13/03/2011 9:31 pm
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