Yummy 
That scope is super good custom too
The thing that surprises me is the effort that went into designing a cheapo springer smg, when they could have put together a cheapo period boltie.
I can remember a chap on the US forum knocking up a Moisin Nagant carbine lookalike from a cheapo shotgun, it was ideal for ww2 games, not incredibly detailed but looked ok from a few metres away.
It wouldn`t take the Chinese factories much to design a screw together clamshell with a universal boltie mechanism inside. Again it wouldn`t 'please' a lot of people but would be useable.
Knock up a LE, K98, MN and an arisaka clamshell, put the mech inside and you`ve got cheap bolties for the masses....
The thing that surprises me is the effort that went into designing a cheapo springer smg, when they could have put together a cheapo period boltie.
It wouldn`t take the Chinese factories much to design a screw together clamshell with a universal boltie mechanism inside. Again it wouldn`t 'please' a lot of people but would be useable.
Knock up a LE, K98, MN and an arisaka clamshell, put the mech inside and you`ve got cheap bolties for the masses....
I'm also surprised by this, they'd probably sell a good number
How many scoped PPSh springers do they expect to sell?
Personaly the main reason they dont do the bolt action repro thing is becuase most of the existing mechanisms,mainly the VSR,don't lend themselves to making an exact replica.There will be too many dimensional inaccuracy problems,bolt ,trigger and mag in the wrong place and so on.
This means it will never be an exact replica and to re-engineer the design is a big job.People don't realise the cost of the tooling,like when people on here are down on the finish quality of the existing build your own boltie kits,shut up and go and find out a price for a low production run casting in this country,thats if you can even find a foundry left to take it on.
One of the companies i use has customers in the USA for one off motorcycle parts,thats how difficult it is to find someone.
I myself have built some custom Guns and I am certain that in the time it took me to design and make it,Iam sure some people would easily earn £20,000 in the same amount of working hours,i don't give a toss about that,this is just my hobby,but when i went to an event with the rifle someone offered me £400 to make them one the same. 
The company ASG airsoft has said the cost of getting a new pistol in production is around £150,000,a rifle would be much more.With the ever looming threat of restricive legislation its not realy a sure fire investement.
Personaly the main reason they dont do the bolt action repro thing is becuase most of the existing mechanisms,mainly the VSR,don't lend themselves to making an exact replica.There will be too many dimensional inaccuracy problems,bolt ,trigger and mag in the wrong place and so on.
This means it will never be an exact replica and to re-engineer the design is a big job.People don't realise the cost of the tooling,like when people on here are down on the finish quality of the existing build your own boltie kits,shut up and go and find out a price for a low production run casting in this country,thats if you can even find a foundry left to take it on.
One of the companies i use has customers in the USA for one off motorcycle parts,thats how difficult it is to find someone.
I myself have built some custom Guns and I am certain that in the time it took me to design and make it,Iam sure some people would easily earn £20,000 in the same amount of working hours,i don't give a toss about that,this is just my hobby,but when i went to an event with the rifle someone offered me £400 to make them one the same.
The company ASG airsoft has said the cost of getting a new pistol in production is around £150,000,a rifle would be much more.With the ever looming threat of restricive legislation its not realy a sure fire investement.
So why spend that kind of money on a cheesy springer?
Or internally is it something existing and this is just a cheap(ish) new body for it?
I understand the cost of tooling and design etc (this is turning into a busman's holiday).
As someone once said, just because there's loads of people in the UK who want No4s and SMLEs, doesn't mean the worldwide demand is the same - maybe that's the issue? You see most of the Chinese guns made, presumably for the largeish demand of the Chinese market. It probably is just the pure numbers game.
Personaly the main reason they dont do the bolt action repro thing is becuase most of the existing mechanisms,mainly the VSR,don't lend themselves to making an exact replica.There will be too many dimensional inaccuracy problems,bolt ,trigger and mag in the wrong place and so on.
This means it will never be an exact replica and to re-engineer the design is a big job.People don't realise the cost of the tooling,like when people on here are down on the finish quality of the existing build your own boltie kits,shut up and go and find out a price for a low production run casting in this country,thats if you can even find a foundry left to take it on.
One of the companies i use has customers in the USA for one off motorcycle parts,thats how difficult it is to find someone.
I myself have built some custom Guns and I am certain that in the time it took me to design and make it,Iam sure some people would easily earn £20,000 in the same amount of working hours,i don't give a toss about that,this is just my hobby,but when i went to an event with the rifle someone offered me £400 to make them one the same.
The company ASG airsoft has said the cost of getting a new pistol in production is around £150,000,a rifle would be much more.With the ever looming threat of restricive legislation its not realy a sure fire investement.
I think you`re missing the point on this one, most people realise the immense cost of putting a 'replica' on the market. What I`m on about here is a simple springer rifle.
Doesn`t have to be a boltie, just a straight pull would do. Doesn`t have to be an accurate representation, a looks like would do. As long as its cheap and has a reasonable fps it should be useable.
The springer mechanisms exist in hundreds of the cheapo guns, all it would take is to 'wrap' it in some kind of shell, which is exactly what they`ve done with the PPSH above. The point being that the PPSH is an smg so why make a springer version when they could have knocked up a looks like, LE, K98 etc.
I had a dig around in my files and found a pic of the MN built from a cheapo shotty....
Which was built from one of these....
I am sure the Chinese can afford to make a new springer rifle,something that looks like a machine gun is more glamorous and will sell more.
Personaly i believe a lot of these Chinese Airsoft gun manufacturers are realy all the same company,the reason there are so many brand names is to make it harder for the authorities to to close them down.
Airsoft gun manufacture is illegal in China,only Real Sword and perhaps one or two other companies have a license to do so,and there is a limit on numbers they can make.Jing Gong (JG) got closed down and alot of there equipment confiscated.Thats what i was told i don't know for sure.Airsoft Gun ownership is underground in China too,thats was illegal too last ime i had any info.
I know i went of the beaten track for this thread ,but i did get upset when i saw a company who supplies this specialist hobby being critised at least twice in places on this forum, when i think we are lucky to have him.
Clearly this company had lost one of his sources of donor guns,and caused him problems.Also Hand made and perfect comes at a price.
Modern manufacturing methods do make tooling ever cheaper,and i do understand that people in this hobbywith the right contacts have tried to tell the manufacturers to make a good spring Rifle but still nothing has turned up.
Clearly the blue, scoped PPSH is aimed at the toy market and when cheap this market is almost bottomless,i had an orange MP40,It did not last more than 100 shots beforen it was Kaput,a wholesaler i know sells them for £6 each,this wholesaler will be the source for the PPSH too.Some of the parts from the electric PPSH may be transferable or adapted to the springer,so that no doubt made production easier.
But to make a lasting ,skirmishable and accurate gun seems to come at a higher price and then the amount that it will sell drops considerably,and thats when profit is low so the price goes up even more to cover the investment cost.
I supose the nearest we have Is a VSR with a fake wood stock,i had a Cyma M701,this was a lemon out of the box like a lot of chinese Guns,I was expecting more from cyma they make some epic gearboxes,so we will still have problems as there is unlikely to be spares backup if a new product does come.Most WW2 games seem to be 30-40 people,and I rarely see WW2 stuff at skirmishes its all M4'S.I certainly hope AGM
don't make something,then it realy will be pants.A new front half for the barrel on the VSR would improve its look no end for our WW2 needs.Then you have to persuade people to give up their AEG's,as you are usualy dead meat with a springer in a battle full of automatic fire.Personaly i think a springer game would be good fun when pitched with equal weapons.Personaly i don't fancy a gas boltie plus thay are expensive.
By the way hcompany i did not put my post up as a response to your post we were posting at the same time i never saw your post before i started to moan but i just felt i had to stick up for a craftsman who is on this Forum,I find myself in his position sometimes.I think people who make things are much more highly regarded in other parts of the world than they are in the UK.
By the way hcompany I did not put my post up as a response to your post we were posting at the same time i never saw your post before i started to moan but i just felt i had to stick up for a craftsman who is on this Forum,I find myself in his position sometimes.I think people who make things are much more highly regarded in other parts of the world than they are in the UK.
Absolutely no problems, and for the second part - you're definitely right!
It would be nice to see a company knocking out detailed spring Bolt-Action rifles, but it's probably a long way off.
Having said that, the new Arisaka looks promising...
The main problem seems to be the lack of quality from the chinese,they can do it well and some times do,but they seem to keep making the same product and not develope it to make it exellent,the VSR clone i have has issues with the hop chamber,some new parts inside would tranform it,you can buy a plastic AK or m4 hop chamber from Element for a few dollars,it shoots well and the plastic is tough it can be cheap and good.they just don't care about quality,only cheapness.
Even new models from G&G have design problems,but they do seem to update the design for improvement ,but if you skirmish a gun parts will wear out and break,so alot of specialised WW2 guns quickly become ornaments without spare part back up.Alot of the materials used in airsoft are very poor and you can be paying £300 for a top level gun,in the USA you could buy a new AR15(single shot M4 for civilians)for $500 a similar price, and its actual a real gun made from real metal.The US army was paying the equivilent of £600 to colt for their M4 rifles about 8 years ago.Obviously price comparison is not that fair as price is dependant on production volume,but i do think there is room for better quality in airsoft products.
I bought one for the grandson to tinker with. Not 1:1 scale as advertised, more like 3/4 size. Real PPSH is about 33", this one is 27". Seems to work ok though for a springer.
