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shellshokt
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Well,
I got a nice complete laminated stock on Ebay with buttplate, front band, front band spring, sling attachment for £45 posted from the US. Front sight £5 posted from US. Rear sight £12 posted from US. Trigger guard with spring, follower and base plate £12 posted in UK.
Now, I am not in the same league as Sgt heide and Boshman but here's the project so far:

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Posted : 02/10/2008 9:59 pm
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nice custom piece :)

 
Posted : 02/10/2008 10:02 pm
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Actually, that looks pretty good so far! I haven't looked in on this thread for a while, it's good to see someone else having a go at a K98 springer. Keep up the good work!

Regarding your earlier post about the trigger guard/mag housing, I have no idea! Sorry! I used a real stock and real parts, whereas Boshman used a Marushin K98, so I don't have a clue why I had to cut mine down and Boshman did not. I've since replaced the MP001 innards with a BAR 10 and the dimensions are still the same as far as the screw holes are concerned.



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Posted : 02/10/2008 10:24 pm
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Thanks for the kind words guys :good:
I am going to fit the trigger mech back on the reciever and then 'let' that into the stock.
Next is the part I am worried about most, cutting the slot for the mag :(

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Posted : 03/10/2008 4:23 pm
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Actually the mag slot turned out to be relatively straightforward.
The problem I have experienced is this. I removed the trigger mech, and that bit at the front (don't know what you would call it, but it's the ali block bit under the barrel) and I 'let' in the reciever so that it sits nice and low in the stock similar to my real steel K98. When I fitted the trigger mech on I found that it is almost out of the bottom of the stock and the bit at the front is totally exposed. This is all as a result of the reciever being so low in the stock, the magazine is now also proud of the bottom of the stock.

I had to drastically cut down the trigger guard in order to get any kind of fit:

Well, lesson learned. :oops:
I think I will replace the stock eventually and have the reciever bedded slightly higher than my first attempt. But as for now, I will complete the project and at least I will have a shooter that approximates a K98.

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Posted : 04/10/2008 11:33 pm
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Definity looks savable mate, like CN says, build it back up with filler or epoxy putty. The receiver postion should really be dictated by the centre line of the barrel so that it is centered in and parallel with the outer barrel which in turn has its position govered by the stock and upper band.

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Adolf Hitler, November 1942

"Comrades, Red Army men, commanders and political workers, men and women guerrillas! It is on your perseverance, staunchness, fighting skill and readiness to discharge your duty to the country that the defeat of the German-fascist army and the liberation of the Soviet land from the Hitlerite invaders depend! We can and must clear the Soviet land of Hitlerite vermin."
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Posted : 05/10/2008 9:26 am
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Good idea's.
Think I will raise the reciever on a couple of washers to see how everything fits and then 'fill in' as necessary.

Thanks for the advice :good:

Steve

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Posted : 05/10/2008 12:38 pm
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Okay, well I raised the reciever in the stock & slightly jiggled it all about a little and now it looks like this:


The mag is still a little proud of the stock but I am much happier with it now.

I cut the base piece off the original stock to act as a mag release, needs sanding and painting to make it less obtrusive.
Still have to fit the rear sight, paint up all the metal and then 'age' it. Strip, fill, sand and stain the stock.

'shokt

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Posted : 05/10/2008 4:47 pm
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Looking very good fella :good: Its strange that the mag sticks out the bottom of the stock, I think maybe you just have a rather shallow stock. on mine it is 45mm deep top to bottom at the point centre of the recoil stud, I wonder if yours is less? Anyway, I really wouldnt worry about it.

Only other thing I would say is your barrel looks a little bit short maybe. I think It should be around 4" from the end of the bayonet lug to the end of the barrel.

BTW, sorry I wasnt able to get pictures to you before you got started, Only just got back from a two week tour of Iberia (working unfortunately). It's prob a bit late now but if you do still want any pics etc then i'm happy to oblige.

Look forward to seeing the finished article.

“I wanted to come to the Volga at a specific location at a specific city. By chance it carries the name of Stalin himself. So don’t think I marched there for this reason – it could carry another name – but because there is a very important goal... this goal I wanted to take – and you know – we are very modest, we have it already."
Adolf Hitler, November 1942

"Comrades, Red Army men, commanders and political workers, men and women guerrillas! It is on your perseverance, staunchness, fighting skill and readiness to discharge your duty to the country that the defeat of the German-fascist army and the liberation of the Soviet land from the Hitlerite invaders depend! We can and must clear the Soviet land of Hitlerite vermin."
Joseph Stalin, November 1942

 
Posted : 09/10/2008 9:41 pm
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Boshman,
Thank and very observant of you!
On my real steel K98 from the tip of the bayonet lug to the end of the barrel is 91mm. On my airsoft k98 it is 80mm. I shortened it because the standard bar 10 barrel seemed to be really short of the fake K98 barrel and I thought it may effect accuracy. I have the ability to set the barrel forward if I eventually buy a longer tightbore for it.

On the the subject of your bar ten enhancements, when you say you shortened the airbrake by 50% what did you actually do? Did you cover some of the holes on the piston? Did you place PTFE tape on the actual piston or just the thread for the brass nozzle?

Many Thanks
'shokt

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Posted : 10/10/2008 7:33 pm
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The air-brake is the the pointy bit on the end of the piston which is designed to slow the piston at the end of its stroke by blocking the nozzle hole so the gun is quieter and the piston doesnt hit so hard against the cylinder head. By cutting it down you increase the power slightly but the downside is more noise and possibly more wear and tear on the piston and cylinder head. reducing it by half is a good middle ground between extra power and extra noise. When you cut it, make sure its a clean 90deg cut and that you chamfer the edges.

PTFE tape should be wrapped around the thread of the cylinder head to ensure a good airseal on the cylinder. If you are fitting a Nine-ball hop rubber (highly recommended for improved consistency and also to improve the nozzle to hop seal), its also a good idead to put a little PTFE tape around the front of the hop-rubber where it meets the barrel to ensure there is no air loss out the front of the hop.

The picture below shows the brass spring spacer I have used and you can also see I have fitted a PSS10 Bearing spring guide for improved consistency.
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“I wanted to come to the Volga at a specific location at a specific city. By chance it carries the name of Stalin himself. So don’t think I marched there for this reason – it could carry another name – but because there is a very important goal... this goal I wanted to take – and you know – we are very modest, we have it already."
Adolf Hitler, November 1942

"Comrades, Red Army men, commanders and political workers, men and women guerrillas! It is on your perseverance, staunchness, fighting skill and readiness to discharge your duty to the country that the defeat of the German-fascist army and the liberation of the Soviet land from the Hitlerite invaders depend! We can and must clear the Soviet land of Hitlerite vermin."
Joseph Stalin, November 1942

 
Posted : 11/10/2008 12:37 pm
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Here it is then:

The mag and the mag release mech are still a little proud of the bottom of the stock but the paint seems to hide it quite well. It was fun to make and overall I am happy with it.
Many thanks to Boshman & Sgt Heide for their advice.
'shokt

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Posted : 12/10/2008 11:43 am
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That's a very nice rifle you've got there! :good: You've improvised very well and reaped the rewards. We have a thread going over on the Kampfgruppe SS sub forum about upgrading rifles, drop in and have a read for some upgrading advice (if you want it, of course!).



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Posted : 12/10/2008 12:10 pm
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I clearly NEED to know how Steve D. did his conversion Dboys K98/ VSR guts

 
Posted : 16/12/2008 11:35 am
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All you need is a D-Boys springer, A VSR, some tools & a lot of imagination, the plastic stock is easy to work with but neededs reinforcing, you need basic craft skills like sawing, gluing & painting, I would recomend you use a real K98 stock & do the Sgt Heide MP-001 style K98, have you seen them? they look moere realistic, :wink:

 
Posted : 16/12/2008 1:44 pm
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My father is a "wood worker" so it won't be a problem.
There thing is the dboys version is cheap and is entirely usable instead of a real stock.
All things I need are in the dboys version. I'll get the wood one and then work on it.

Did you try to use the bolt handle to make it more realistic?

 
Posted : 17/12/2008 3:35 pm
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I did on my Marushin shell-ejector conversion. See page 8 of this thread for pics. Should work in much the same way for the DBoyi :good:

“I wanted to come to the Volga at a specific location at a specific city. By chance it carries the name of Stalin himself. So don’t think I marched there for this reason – it could carry another name – but because there is a very important goal... this goal I wanted to take – and you know – we are very modest, we have it already."
Adolf Hitler, November 1942

"Comrades, Red Army men, commanders and political workers, men and women guerrillas! It is on your perseverance, staunchness, fighting skill and readiness to discharge your duty to the country that the defeat of the German-fascist army and the liberation of the Soviet land from the Hitlerite invaders depend! We can and must clear the Soviet land of Hitlerite vermin."
Joseph Stalin, November 1942

 
Posted : 17/12/2008 3:41 pm
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My father is a "wood worker" so it won't be a problem.
There thing is the dboys version is cheap and is entirely usable instead of a real stock.
All things I need are in the dboys version. I'll get the wood one and then work on it.

Did you try to use the bolt handle to make it more realistic?

I Just used the standard VSR bolt, it still looked reasonable,

Steve.D

 
Posted : 17/12/2008 11:38 pm
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Bossman ! That one is wonderful !

No problems in putting the Marushin bolt handle system to the VSR Cylinder ?

 
Posted : 18/12/2008 6:08 pm
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Bossman ! That one is wonderful !

No problems in putting the Marushin bolt handle system to the VSR Cylinder ?

Cheers fella. No no problems at all, works just as sweet as the original.

“I wanted to come to the Volga at a specific location at a specific city. By chance it carries the name of Stalin himself. So don’t think I marched there for this reason – it could carry another name – but because there is a very important goal... this goal I wanted to take – and you know – we are very modest, we have it already."
Adolf Hitler, November 1942

"Comrades, Red Army men, commanders and political workers, men and women guerrillas! It is on your perseverance, staunchness, fighting skill and readiness to discharge your duty to the country that the defeat of the German-fascist army and the liberation of the Soviet land from the Hitlerite invaders depend! We can and must clear the Soviet land of Hitlerite vermin."
Joseph Stalin, November 1942

 
Posted : 19/12/2008 12:07 am
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