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(@wladek)
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hello knowledgeable people, can I ask a quick question.

Those pump action shotguns:

1. I assume they are 'springer' types that use the pump action like a bolt action to compress the spring for firing?

2. does the pump have to be manhandled BOTH ways? i.e. do you have to push the pump back out to put the piston into place?

cheers

 
Posted : 02/10/2012 3:23 pm
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1. You get both gas and spring ones. And a bewildering array of magazine types from tubes under the barrel to fake shells to standard magazines. All very confusing :) Plus 6mm and 8mm ones as well just to make it even more of a headache. There are a couple around that are either WW2 pukka or are close enough. There is a version of the Winchester Trench Gun, but I think that's 8mm and not really a skirmish gun. Then there is the Ithica M37 which I think you can still get hold of. I'm pretty sure Warren has some at SnS. Then other than that its more modern Mossberg types that actually look OK if you can find them with wood furniture. I'm sure others will prove me wrong and point to other examples though.

2. Yes. Both ways. Think of it like a shoulders and abs workout while you skirmish.

I got a cheap ass springer from Airsoft World which was tasteful magpul black tactical and chopped the stock off and did some weathering and wood effects on and it looks OK as a dirty sawn off trench gun. Its rubbish to shoot and doesn't pass for reenactment quality, but it is fun to rack the slide like you are shootin' zombies :) I'll see if I can find a pic. I think there is one on here already actually.

 
Posted : 02/10/2012 3:36 pm
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There you go. £20 and some car filler and creativity.-- attachment is not available --

 
Posted : 02/10/2012 3:38 pm
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Actually it was the potential of using the 'mechanism' I was looking for, but if it needs to be forced both ways, then that puts a bit of scupper on my plan... or at least a re-think.

cheers

 
Posted : 02/10/2012 3:40 pm
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would this be for flintsoft Craig ?
ps these very little force needed to bring the bump back to start position, as the main spring is now cocked so to speek :)

team shoot and scoot, TL

 
Posted : 03/10/2012 8:02 am
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would this be for flintsoft Craig ?
ps these very little force needed to bring the bump back to start position, as the main spring is now cocked so to speek :)

How did you guess ;). I was sat up last night looking at the replica musket and thinking.

I think, given that these shotgun things are not too expensive, that it be worth getting one and playing 'cut it open and see'.

 
Posted : 03/10/2012 8:58 am
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Actually now you put it like that I don't know if it the slide needs to be pushed back to fire. I'll test mine out tonight unless anyone else can answer. I suspect it might actually be cocked once the slide reaches its position nearest the handle - though you would need to find a way of recocking the thing.

 
Posted : 03/10/2012 9:59 am
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yep it need to go back to start position chaps, if not it will block the spring from going forward, and or brake parts inside,

if you want a chat give me a call some time as theres to much to post up :)

team shoot and scoot, TL

 
Posted : 03/10/2012 12:08 pm
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There's very little pressure/strength needed to return the mechanism once it's compressed, you could probably use a return spring or something.

 
Posted : 03/10/2012 9:58 pm
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There's very little pressure/strength needed to return the mechanism once it's compressed, you could probably use a return spring or something.

'Twas a thought that was discussed

 
Posted : 03/10/2012 11:10 pm
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Well if you can't sort a musket out I can make you a sword !

 
Posted : 04/10/2012 5:34 pm
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Well if you can't sort a musket out I can make you a sword !

Got a LARP one, and a metal one :twisted:

 
Posted : 04/10/2012 5:55 pm
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would this be for flintsoft Craig ?
ps these very little force needed to bring the bump back to start position, as the main spring is now cocked so to speek :)

How did you guess ;). I was sat up last night looking at the replica musket and thinking.

I think, given that these shotgun things are not too expensive, that it be worth getting one and playing 'cut it open and see'.

I would think for a musket you could attach a cleaning rod to the mech on the shotty, there is no resistance on the pump once its cocked, it`s just a case of getting it to the forward position so that the gun shoots cleanly.
There is a vid on youtube of an M58 pump being stripped down which will show you the general make up of the components.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuugMgzyL7k

 
Posted : 07/10/2012 3:19 pm
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i recently bought 3 pump action spas-12`s for a very cheap price, they have to be pumped back, a hard pull (this cocks the spring ), then pushed forward, (this feeds the bb)

and the built in hop gives them the same range as most of my site AEG`s

they are simply awesome for a plastic springer.

"Take that you rotton helping of strawberry flan!"
Joseph Porta to "strawberrys and cream", in the sven hassel book ,ogpu prison

 
Posted : 08/10/2012 6:50 pm
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i recently bought 3 pump action spas-12`s for a very cheap price, they have to be pumped back, a hard pull (this cocks the spring ), then pushed forward, (this feeds the bb)

and the built in hop gives them the same range as most of my site AEG`s

they are simply awesome for a plastic springer.

Couldn`t agree more, took my M58 to an open day and it`s the most fun I`ve had for quite some time. Cheap at £25, no batteries to worry about, mechanism is virtually bulletproof, range is superb, and I used a lot less ammo. :good:

 
Posted : 09/10/2012 1:47 pm
Joseph Porta
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also slick, on my Spas-12 it can fire mutli shots

pump the action.
FIRE. (KEEP TRIGGER PULLED)
pump action for however many rounds you want to fire
RELEASE TRIGGER
Pump one last time
fire all the bb`s youve pumped in

Range seriously drops, but up close you can fire 3,4 or even 5 bb`s in a shower :good:

"Take that you rotton helping of strawberry flan!"
Joseph Porta to "strawberrys and cream", in the sven hassel book ,ogpu prison

 
Posted : 09/10/2012 7:08 pm
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That sounds mad :lol: , I don`t think my M58 can do that. I can remember slam firing it like hell when I came into contact with an AEG just to try and beat them off :good:

 
Posted : 09/10/2012 10:17 pm
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what fps are those M58s?

 
Posted : 11/10/2012 10:21 pm
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what fps are those M58s?

I don`t think they`re a lot, from memory mine chronoed at about 280 but it`s seen a lot of use., so around the 300 mark would probably be maximum.

 
Posted : 12/10/2012 6:28 pm
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