Why was there no-one helping each other in the allies camp. No one gathered wood, no one helped anyone out with anything?
See my post above...
I was totally knackered...
There seemed little point to add wet wood on to a fire that was doing nothing to dry me out. A fire you couldn't sit next to because the ground was so muddy that my boots sank in up to the ankle.
Apathy set in...
Ah ha I know who you are now capa 
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I know from my perspective on the Axis side I only heard snippets of what wass/was not going on elsewhere and therefore will not comment as its not my place.
I think on the getting to your camp site the allies certainly pulled the short straw as I crossed the stream, went through countless felled/dried dying trees, and did the road walk back so I can as am sure all the axis will, appreciate that was a hardship for you all ( I was under the impression there was a sneakier way to get kit to camp via a public road albeit it passing over barbed wire? ). But you had a prime position once in situe that wasn't down hill as we were with mud and slurry washing past and into tents and we did actually try to help it flow away, it just liked us so much it wanted to stay it was worse than soft under foot and I've no idea how our tent pegs actually remained in the mud as we were up near the sloppy entrance
It seems from some posts the Allies think we sat around camp waiting for them to come to us and they were the only ones to have to walk about 
but ce la vie
Those of the allies that were left on sunday, I thought were great (stubborn maybes a better word) I have some nice welts on my hind 
and though I wasn't originally participating having been shot several times in the harris my wetmacht kit was put into use .... leading to a small mission down swamp and a return to get shot in the harris again (I have the battle wounds to prove this ) I thought it was great fun 
Where on earth did all the Allies go by the end of sat?
I have no idea. A few left before getting to the camp (some had previously arrange things that they couldn't get out of attending); someone who was car sharing with two others was badly injured and decided to leave; others got to the camp, didn't bother setting up, then left, others tents had completely flooded leaving them with no dry kit or sleeping bags. I think it was a mix of poor preparation, injury, a little lack of determination and over-heightened expectation as to the comfort levels in the pouring rain!
Why did not one keep the fire going we spent an hour starting? Why was there no-one helping each other in the allies camp. No one gathered wood, no one helped anyone out with anything?
I wish I knew. Whoswill, Rhysd2 and I spent an hour collecting and chopping wood on Saturday morning in preparation. We covered it with a tarpaulin to keep it dry. Despite numerous requests for people to collect firewood and cook food very few did. When I got back to the camp after the evening's firefight and found that the tarp covering all the lovely chopped firewood had been left off I nearly had a pram/toy ejection moment.
Why was the Allies camp in such an odd postion? I know alot of people asked why there was realy a need for two camps. As after the game stopped for the evening it would have been nice to all sit down together and socialise as a group, after all we all do this for fun and as a hobby and its nice to keep it all united.
Not sure, and this one requires further discussion amongst the organisers if/when we do something like this again. I was shown a site on the Friday which looked like it would become pretty much a river if rain fell. I decided to move it 150 yards or so up the hill to keep it drier. In hindsight, it would have been much better to have been adjacent to one of the on-site roads like the Axis camp, but hindsight is a wonderful thing.
The game play its self was excellent and the whole idea of wandering around with a map and a compass while having to find the enemy and working things out for yourself was fantastic. There was a certain freedom to the game play that was very refreshing. This style needs to be worked on alot more. Long gone have the days of "get that flag, run over there and you win" thank god!
Very glad you enjoyed that. I know Guy was working really hard to make the day different to most airsoft events and I think he succeeded hands down, despite some organisational blunders on my behalf!
I know alot of people asked why there was realy a need for two camps.
I sort of see your point, but at the same time, it really did help with the "them and us" mentality, which greatly enhanced our morale. I think also, that there are a number of players who swap sides for events, so you do eventually get to meet most people.
I can't explain why, but we Axis just helped each other all day long, sharing food and drinks, and helping each other with kit. And as Gadge and his friend (sorry, who were you mate?) were building that fantastic fire, we just all chipped in collecting wood, lending a tarp or a knife here and there.
I have to share the best joke of the w/e, Saturday night, after we'd discovered with incredulity that there were only 10 Allies left - Sgt Heide quipped, "We would've offered them a cease-fire and a game of footy, but they didn't have enough for a team!"
BTW, it would be nice to have a scenario where the Germans are attacking - I wasn't into WW2 airsofting when the Bulge was done.
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I think the major difference was what people wanted out of the event, a few folk on the axis side said entirely sepreatly to me words along the line sof
" I see this as a camping trip in kit and social with a few missions as well"
As opposed to expecting non stop blazing gun battles all day.
"I think we are in rats' alley - Where the dead men lost their bones."
I think you may have hit the nail on the head there.
Almost like a living history event with skirmishing.
Exactly and i think this was made very clear in the event brief 'living 24 hours as a wwii soldier'
Not winning the medal of honour in a 18 hour firefight.... 
"I think we are in rats' alley - Where the dead men lost their bones."
It's a good job everyone read the forums.... oh.... 
You've got nothing to ein, zwei, drei, vier
Its hard to book into the event if you dont though isnt it?
I just cant see why anyone would sign up to event and *not* read what iut entails beforehand?
It would be like buying a ticket to a gig at your local concert hall and not knowing who was playing.
"I think we are in rats' alley - Where the dead men lost their bones."
I think my experience in the camp was vastly better than most others because I've read this book:
I taught him everything he knows.
the guy was a chuffing liability until i took him camping....
But did he credit me in the sleeve notes, no the arrogant git.. i'm still in legal dispute about it today you know?
"I think we are in rats' alley - Where the dead men lost their bones."
However i found at Stalingrad that natural body oils combined with dirt vil make you vaterproof....
"I think we are in rats' alley - Where the dead men lost their bones."
Almost like a living history event with skirmishing.
that's what made me decide to come along in the first place.
personally, I'm not dedicated enough to join the ranks of the 'proper' re-enactors, as i'm unwilling to cut my hair for a start, and thought it'd be a great way to see how all the kit worked in a 'real war' situation, i.e not just a battle, then a wander off to the burger van, then another battle in a different direction, but a full-on experience of life at the time, albeit without the threat of death. (apart from drowning maybe, or from some of Guy's pyro's!)
In the real thing, there *would* have been periods of sitting around in the rain, wandering through forests and finding no-one to shoot at, and occasional intense bouts or shooting, and in that regard, it worked perfectly.
I really can't fault the weekend, to be honest. Apart from the weather.
However i found at Stalingrad that natural body oils combined with dirt vil make you vaterproof....
Heh! I have just decided I'm going to watch that again tonight...!
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Why the feck not steiner, It is a good film afterall.
the guy was a chuffing liability until i took him camping....
You've got nothing to ein, zwei, drei, vier
I think on the getting to your camp site the allies certainly pulled the short straw as I crossed the stream, went through countless felled/dried dying trees, and did the road walk back so I can as am sure all the axis will, appreciate that was a hardship for you all ( I was under the impression there was a sneakier way to get kit to camp via a public road albeit it passing over barbed wire? ). But you had a prime position once in situe that wasn't down hill as we were with mud and slurry washing past and into tents and we did actually try to help it flow away, it just liked us so much it wanted to stay
there was a sneakier way to get to the camp via the road that led around the side of the site. the barb wire wasnt a problem but you then had to walk along the track through large puddles to find the right footing to get up the hill(which was soft under foot as it was mostly pine needles/branchs). And along the way up cross 2 or 3 streams depending on what route you took. heh
Not saying it was as bad as your guys but it did seem to demoralise people having to carry their kit up the hill over streams in wet gear. then when people heard 18 odd people had just left without saying too much spirits dropped alot.
I was one of the poor sods whose tents flooded due to pegs coming out in the soft ground. next time I know to bring bivi bags not sleeping bags and a better tent. to those who stuck on after we left I cant apologise enough. we felt shit to leave. next time I will be better prepared(although to be honest im still suprised they flooded the way they did)
In reference to the fire in the allied camp people did help where they could. Several tried to get it going and it just kept dying, some gathered some more kindling to dry out and did what they could. the only thing that kept it alive was injections of what dry wood we had collected that morning and the packets of firelighters myself and steve.d had. Even after those it didnt get anywhere so most people just gave up as it was fairly obvious it wasnt going to get going under those conditions. It needed some decent liquid fuel to get it started me thinks so next time that'll be added to my list.
As for people expecting something different...
I cant comment on it to much as I very clearly read and understood it was to be nothing like an open day, ie it was supposed to be minimal contact, very tactical, not all guns blazing. I signed up because of that fact and loved it. Suprised anyone thought it was going to be anything but that from the way it had been billed on here. but I guess some people just skim the details *shrug*
Either way I had a fantastic time, cant thank the organisers enough, cant apologise enough for having to leave, and cant wait for the next one.
puddles are great, did you not see how clean my face was on saturday from a quick wash before game on
to be honest helga i dont think i saw you at all. Being as I had a rifle I tended to be shooting from somewhat farther back, and at bits that were sticking out, so I never knew who I was shooting at heh.
Did manage to get a few kills though. Was nice using a rifle but next time I'll be up front with a thompson I think.
I think its in the pictures posted by goblin, you can see me in the background with an immaculately clean face
